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Why are people so averse to risk taking?
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Poster Master
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-19 02:14:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Poster Master
I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.

For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.

I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.

Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.

Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore?
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#2 - 2013-09-19 02:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Probably because you looked like bait.
20 minutes to get scouting reports from nearby systems isn't an excessive time to wait to make sure you're not springing a trap.

Also: It may've needed twenty minutes for his friends to muster on the inbound gate.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#3 - 2013-09-19 02:37:20 UTC
1. you may be bait - who cares what type of ship your in, why take chances when you don't know?
2. everyone wants in on a km
3. who wants to get left behind in a hotdrop and jump through gates to catch up
4. maybe they weren't wasting 20 min, they prolly had other scouts out in other systems
5. combat scanner probes means pos up to me - he saw that it didn't mean that to you
6. If I'm going into battle I want to win also - has nothing to do with being risk averse. I'm risking my ship everytime I go into battle.
7. combat scanners probes means... oh.... I said that already...

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#4 - 2013-09-19 03:27:04 UTC
The short answer to your question is yes.

There are as many reasons to validate the behavior as there are days in a year from hot drop to alt schemes but it has always been like this from one degree to another. The sad part is, you can't even assume it was wasting the time of 20 other people. It's a very real possibility they were all one guy.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-09-19 03:53:44 UTC
The game is designed for blobbing, if you don't blob someone else will.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-09-19 03:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Poster Master wrote:
I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.

For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.

I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.

Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.

Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore?


All the times I got killed by people, I never stopped to ask "why did you guys with SPACESHIPS WITH GUNS decide to kill lil ole me in a game about SPACESHIPS WITH GUNS?"...

I remember reading the EULA one day in search of the "1v1 combat" clause, but for the life of me I couldn't find it.

But you see, I didn't come into this game with some crazy expectation of "fairness" in the gameplay, I came in understanding that EVE like real life was purely Dog Eat Dog.

Here is a picture and some rules of EVE online space combat. Learn it, live it: http://www.thegunzone.com/gunfighting.html
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-19 04:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: KuroVolt
The **** kind of a ****** name is *Poster Master* anyway?

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-09-19 04:19:56 UTC
People come home from their lives and don't want to deal with more bullsht.

What are you going to do?
A: Turn on some music, grab a miner, and relax while watching something on T*BOOOMGANK*
B: Turn on some music, grab a mission ship, and relax while running highsec missions
C: Turn on some music, grab a pvp ship, and head to lowse*BOOMGANK*
D: Turn off the music, grab a pvp ship, hop on TS with your corp, and go roaming.
E: Turn on some music, grab a gank ship, and troll people who picked A or B.


So.. best answers? You got it, squad roaming or ganking!

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2013-09-19 04:34:21 UTC
Some fits of T3s can actively tank another T3, and the proteus can also have a stupidly large buffer, so getting it killed quick is in the best interest of any attackers lest your backup inflict losses.

Its a group game, as you've discovered when solo, disengaging or avoiding engagement is a required survival strategy.

Lastly, and most importantly, sovereign space holders often believe the signatures in their system belong to them, and if they can in fact bring the muscle to make it so, then that is a fairly real claim.

Note that i'm aware that I cannot protect signatures in the system I'm based out of all the time, or against all takers, but if its possible for me to do so, I'll do so swiftly and with overpowering force. As it turns out, if I was go to into cfc space and take signatures i'd expect that should I be seen, I'd likely wind up in my medical station the quick way despite having reciprocal blue standings.

ie exploration can be viewed as a non neutral act in sovereign space.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#10 - 2013-09-19 04:50:01 UTC
I know people who have spent weeks to stalk and kill one guy

hatred runs deep

especially in internet spaceships
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2013-09-19 04:51:29 UTC
My problem with PVP is that it takes more time than running a mission.

Most of the time.

Gate games happen too fast. Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2013-09-19 05:02:00 UTC
Twylla wrote:
People come home from their lives and don't want to deal with more bullsht.

What are you going to do?
A: Turn on some music, grab a miner, and relax while watching something on T*BOOOMGANK*
B: Turn on some music, grab a mission ship, and relax while running highsec missions
C: Turn on some music, grab a pvp ship, and head to lowse*BOOMGANK*
D: Turn off the music, grab a pvp ship, hop on TS with your corp, and go roaming.
E: Turn on some music, grab a gank ship, and troll people who picked A or B.


So.. best answers? You got it, squad roaming or ganking!


Kinda sad I could only like this once.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Poster Master
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-09-19 05:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Poster Master
Twylla wrote:
People come home from their lives and don't want to deal with more bullsht.

What are you going to do?
A: Turn on some music, grab a miner, and relax while watching something on T*BOOOMGANK*
B: Turn on some music, grab a mission ship, and relax while running highsec missions
C: Turn on some music, grab a pvp ship, and head to lowse*BOOMGANK*
D: Turn off the music, grab a pvp ship, hop on TS with your corp, and go roaming.
E: Turn on some music, grab a gank ship, and troll people who picked A or B.


So.. best answers? You got it, squad roaming or ganking!



My BIGGEST issue with high sec missions (which is why im trying to get into 0.0 exploration) is that I now have ISK but there is no point to upgrading my ship because it'll just be insta suicide ganked as soon as I get a faction/officer mod in. Which of course I don't have an issue with losing an expensive ship but I do have an issue with running BORING MISSIONS and end up getting ganked so that I'm set back 200 missions in terms of ISK and end up having to do more boring missions.

So my choice is either:

(1) run missions so that you can stay with a crappy fit Raven while your wallet gets fat for no reason, but you dont get ganked
(2) get officer loot to feel some progression, and get ganked and go back to a crappy fit raven
or (3) try to do something else in EvE like lo-sec/null sec with different mechanics
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-09-19 05:19:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Poster Master wrote:


My BIGGEST issue with high sec missions (which is why im trying to get into 0.0 exploration) is that I now have ISK but there is no point to upgrading my ship because it'll just be insta suicide ganked as soon as I get a faction/officer mod in. Which of course I don't have an issue with losing an expensive ship but I do have an issue with running BORING MISSIONS and end up getting ganked so that I'm set back 200 missions in terms of ISK and end up having to do more boring missions.

So my choice is either:

(1) run missions so that you can stay with a crappy fit Raven while your wallet gets fat for no reason, but you dont get ganked
(2) get officer loot to feel some progression, and get ganked and go back to a crappy fit raven
or (3) try to do something else in EvE like lo-sec/null sec with different mechanics



My issue is that highsec has become the new lowsec, now that the pvp crowd has gutted lowsec into a barren wasteland.

Highsec is the place where you should be able to take a breath and recover from the losses of lowsec, nulsec, and WH space. Where new players have space to grow into their skills, and you can do stuff solo without needing a support team to run cover for you constantly.

I'm sorta in that position now, having 'fallen out' of the nulsec bullsht, and now I can't put my skillset to any use in highsec 'cause of the rampant ganking and trolling. I hadn't had a mack undocked for ten minutes in my quiet, out of the way 'summer home' before I had scanners and gankers all over the place. Luckily, I'm smarter than your average bear and knew when to cut out, but it's sad.

if I wasn't a 6-7 year old toon, I'd have written EVE off entirely as a broken waste of time. I can only imagine the kind of outright rejection a new player would face.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-09-19 05:23:44 UTC
Poster Master wrote:
I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.

For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.

I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.

Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.

Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore?


The same people afraid of risk also fly around in Nulli Subs and Stabs.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Poster Master
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-09-19 05:25:44 UTC
Twylla wrote:


stuff
I'm sorta in that position now, having 'fallen out' of the nulsec bullsht, and now I can't put my skillset to any use in highsec 'cause of the rampant ganking and trolling. I hadn't had a mack undocked for ten minutes in my quiet, out of the way 'summer home' before I had scanners and gankers all over the place. Luckily, I'm smarter than your average bear and knew when to cut out, but it's sad.


Agreed, this creates a lack of progression. In other games, you get those 3%, 5%, 1% upgrades to your character and 5 months later you pride yourself on having a 20-25% better character. In EvE you spend the same amount of time to claim that you now run missions 30% faster but you are now also fifty times more likely to be ganked so the faster mission income will mean nothing because a day will come when you make a mistake and die, offsetting all the benefits of the upgrade.

That's why im trying to find alternatives to missioning, such as null sec explo, but that has its own set of issues.
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-09-19 05:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tao Dolcino
Poster Master wrote:
So my choice is either:

(1) run missions so that you can stay with a crappy fit Raven while your wallet gets fat for no reason, but you dont get ganked
(2) get officer loot to feel some progression, and get ganked and go back to a crappy fit raven
or (3) try to do something else in EvE like lo-sec/null sec with different mechanics


You just have found the solution to your problem :)
Missionning is just a way to finance more interesting activities and projects. Sounds like your true problem is to have no other project than just missioning. Maybe try to find a corp who has an interesting project which you could join ? (WH, null sec, low sec, trading, industry, roleplay, races, tournaments, or whatever else...)
Don't play alone ;)
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-09-19 05:27:10 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Poster Master wrote:
I am very disappointed with the blobbing and it seems most of the time it is so unnecessary it is almost not fair that those same people who blob make fun of hi-secers for being risk averse.

For instance, I was drunk playing EvE (again), so I carebeared the crap out of my ship (I will admit) by having a nullified Proteus with warp core stabs (!!!) because that day I just wanted to fly around and do exploration and generally not engage in high stress activities.

I was in a system that had one other person there, and I saw probes on d-scan but I wasn't too concerned because of the warp stabs. I must have spent 20 minutes doing different sites before the guy decloaked in his T3 and warp scrammed me. At that same time the local spiked like crazy - they were his friends.

Now I am wondering, why was the guy willing to sit for 20 minutes doing nothing but cloaking staring at my ship, and wasting the time of 20 people, when he clearly saw on my ship (1) the amount of turrets was so small it wouldn't kill a frig (2) cov ops subsystem (3) nullifier (4) scanning subsystem (5) I was doing sites, which meant I took up slots for analyzer mods ... this means my ship was gimped to heck, NO MATCH for his ship no matter how you look at it (even if he didnt know about warp stabs). Yet he waited for his buddies to show up, and wasted all of their times because obviously as soon as he scrammed me I warped away and jumped out.

Is this game nothing but blobbing anymore?


The same people afraid of risk also fly around in Nulli Subs and Stabs.



Highsec is the new lowsec
Lowsec is the new nulsec
Nulsec is the new highsec.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-09-19 05:29:29 UTC
double post Oops
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-09-19 05:30:23 UTC
Complains that people are risk averse. Has forum alt.
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