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Easiest way for a newbie to make some starting ISK?
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Faris Sherwiz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-18 13:48:04 UTC
As the title says, I have done my tutorial missions and the Sister's story arc. I have around 32 million ISK after that but am unsure of what to do to keep that number growing. Mining and exploration I enjoy alright. Mining because it's pretty straightforward and not real involved. Exploration, while more involved, provides some cool sights to see. Which of these is generally a better route for a beginner? Also, what are some essential core skills needed for each path? Any and all help is appreciated.
Faris Sherwiz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-09-18 13:53:54 UTC
To clarify, I'm not looking for a get rich scheme or anything. Just a respectable way to give myself some financial freedom for lost ships, upgrades, etc.
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#3 - 2013-09-18 14:11:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrendian Biohazard
Low sec exploration

I started a character, over the course of a month of training, and made ~400m without a huge amount of effort. I never went into null until I got covops, but still lacking in the skills for the sites. Most of it was just around low-population, non-FW lowsec.

Edit: additionally, it help you learn survival tools for PVP down the road

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Nomina Aur
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-09-18 15:11:36 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
Low sec exploration

I started a character, over the course of a month of training, and made ~400m without a huge amount of effort. I never went into null until I got covops, but still lacking in the skills for the sites. Most of it was just around low-population, non-FW lowsec.

Edit: additionally, it help you learn survival tools for PVP down the road


Just a side note: he joined the game in times, when you could loot milions from the single data side. Those times are gone.

To the OP: you can try out faction wars. I heard you get a lot of loyalty points, and they can be converted to the ISK. Not sure about how effective this is , though.
Equus Toomp
Do You Wanna Be In My Gang
#5 - 2013-09-18 15:21:50 UTC
Mission running?
Can be a grind as they get repetitive after a while, but they are relatively safe to do - especially if you follow mission guide websites that tell you how to tank, what ammo to use and what ships will trigger secondary spawns etc etc.

They will also give you a bit more insight into basic fight and flight mechanics.

It may take you a while to raise standings for the level 3 and 4 missions but you will be generating isk along the way.

Also missions are relatively short so not so time consuming and you can plan your play time accordingly.

Missions also generate Loyalty Points - save those up and you can buy implants cheap which you can then sell for good profit.

I ran missions when I first started and still run them now from time to time. These days though its more for a bit of amusement and I usually deliberately hit trigger ships so I can have more fun with increased incoming dps - they don't have to be that repetitive ;)

As with all activities, try it - when you get bored or stop enjoying it then switch to something else :)
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-18 15:22:57 UTC
Nomina Aur wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
Low sec exploration

I started a character, over the course of a month of training, and made ~400m without a huge amount of effort. I never went into null until I got covops, but still lacking in the skills for the sites. Most of it was just around low-population, non-FW lowsec.

Edit: additionally, it help you learn survival tools for PVP down the road


Just a side note: he joined the game in times, when you could loot milions from the single data side. Those times are gone.

To the OP: you can try out faction wars. I heard you get a lot of loyalty points, and they can be converted to the ISK. Not sure about how effective this is , though.

You don't convert LP to ISK. You enroll in a militia and head into lowsec systems that are in faction warfare, you spot complexes with the onboard scanner and go orbit a structure for X minutes. If no one showed up after the timer went down, you earn LPs. If someone does show up of the opposite faction, either you fight or leave and don't get LPs.
All this time you spend orbiting that structure, and travelling in lowsec, you risk being forced into a fight with the other militia. You also become outlaw in the opposing faction space, so if you like visiting Amarr, don't join Minmatar FW.
Once you have a nice amount of LPs, you go in a station, open the LP store, find an item to buy with those LPs and some ISK (you do need to have some and even more further on) then haul the stuff however you want to a trade hup and set sell-orders or sell to buy orders (there again you need some starting ISK for the escrow).
That's a gross picture, but if you do pay attention to what you invest your LPs in and sell stuff that people actually buy, then you can make a profit, but it doesn't come out of thin air.

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Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#7 - 2013-09-18 15:26:49 UTC
Nomina Aur wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
Low sec exploration

I started a character, over the course of a month of training, and made ~400m without a huge amount of effort. I never went into null until I got covops, but still lacking in the skills for the sites. Most of it was just around low-population, non-FW lowsec.

Edit: additionally, it help you learn survival tools for PVP down the road


Just a side note: he joined the game in times, when you could loot milions from the single data side. Those times are gone.

To the OP: you can try out faction wars. I heard you get a lot of loyalty points, and they can be converted to the ISK. Not sure about how effective this is , though.


Decrypters go for a fair amount, as well as the electronic salvage. This was post Odyssey.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#8 - 2013-09-18 16:20:54 UTC
I made my first billion ( way back when that was a lot of ISKies) running level one and two static DED complexes in Minmatar space.

As with most things in an MMO, it's a dice roll for the loot you get, but I got plenty of Dramiel BPs and Gisti B-type ABs and MWDs. As well it's one of the few places in the game where you can get some good small ship 1vs1 combat since you can't call in help and the sites are size restricted. Or at least that's how they used to be. Been a while.

Might be worth checking out.

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Koki Ottic
Merry dancers in the sky
#9 - 2013-09-18 17:39:03 UTC
I made my first billion in a Mammoth, hauling stuff to Jita Big smile. But that is also how I lost my first billion tooOops
Faris Sherwiz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-09-18 17:44:30 UTC
Koki Ottic wrote:
I made my first billion in a Mammoth, hauling stuff to Jita Big smile. But that is also how I lost my first billion tooOops


lol ouch. I will try mining and exploring a bit and see which one I enjoy more.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#11 - 2013-09-18 18:16:45 UTC
Equus Toomp wrote:
Mission running?
Can be a grind as they get repetitive after a while, but they are relatively safe to do - especially if you follow mission guide websites that tell you how to tank, what ammo to use and what ships will trigger secondary spawns etc etc.

They will also give you a bit more insight into basic fight and flight mechanics.

It may take you a while to raise standings for the level 3 and 4 missions but you will be generating isk along the way.

Also missions are relatively short so not so time consuming and you can plan your play time accordingly.

Missions also generate Loyalty Points - save those up and you can buy implants cheap which you can then sell for good profit.

I ran missions when I first started and still run them now from time to time. These days though its more for a bit of amusement and I usually deliberately hit trigger ships so I can have more fun with increased incoming dps - they don't have to be that repetitive ;)

As with all activities, try it - when you get bored or stop enjoying it then switch to something else :)


Mission running doesn't bring in good isk till he can do lvl4s and since he is new he is a couple a months away from that. He wants advice on the now...

Exploration loot value has collapsed, not worth the effort atm.

Apart from trading and mining would say faction warfare is your best bet. Will also get you some pew pew experience. Try and join a corp that is good at it.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-09-18 18:19:16 UTC
Don't grind. You're better than that. Scan down someone's mission and take their loot, do some day trading, scam someone, buy things and haul them to where you can sell them for more or suicide gank for profit would be my suggestions.

Or corp theft.

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Faris Sherwiz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-09-18 18:28:19 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Don't grind. You're better than that. Scan down someone's mission and take their loot, do some day trading, scam someone, buy things and haul them to where you can sell them for more or suicide gank for profit would be my suggestions.

Or corp theft.


Haha, I try to be a civil person in most games I play. Stealing from others, scamming, and corp theft are definitely off my list of ways to make profit. I know the game is tough and people will try to do it to me but I like to be a nicer player!
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#14 - 2013-09-18 18:59:28 UTC
I think brave newbies has a reddit up for it. Basically go ratting with them, loot stuff, sell stuff, proceed from there.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-09-18 19:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
I think brave newbies has a reddit up for it. Basically go ratting with them, loot stuff, sell stuff, proceed from there.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies

Pi is another way to make ISK. Even in hisec, extracting and making only water and oxygen makes a reasonable starting amount.

Courier contracts and missions are an easy no-combat way to make ISK. An Amarr Magnate frigate is easy to train for, and can be rigged and fitted into a very cheap and very fast hauler capable of up to level 3 courier missions.
Tho'mas
Nerds United
#16 - 2013-09-18 19:13:17 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
I think brave newbies has a reddit up for it. Basically go ratting with them, loot stuff, sell stuff, proceed from there.


Didn't I get shot down alongside you while playing logistics yesterday? =)
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#17 - 2013-09-19 09:27:54 UTC
If you really want to take up mining, you might try to set aside a few millions of your current wealth and invest in station trading (setting up a couple of buy orders in Hek and as soon as some or all of them are filled, sell the stuff there again; you can remotely do this from Aldrat since Hek is in the same region, still).
Eve University wiki has a few helpful pages on this, iirc.

Profits are of course dependant on your investment and will most likely be low in the beginning but it beats watching your mining lasers, I guess...

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-09-19 10:38:49 UTC
Faris Sherwiz wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Don't grind. You're better than that. Scan down someone's mission and take their loot, do some day trading, scam someone, buy things and haul them to where you can sell them for more or suicide gank for profit would be my suggestions.

Or corp theft.


Haha, I try to be a civil person in most games I play. Stealing from others, scamming, and corp theft are definitely off my list of ways to make profit. I know the game is tough and people will try to do it to me but I like to be a nicer player!

you're so cute, i'd hug you before i stab you and take away everything you own.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#19 - 2013-09-19 12:15:11 UTC
Go for null sec exploration, find yourself an empty system with a station and stash the loot there until you can fly a covert-ops and smugle it safely back to high sec

May not be the best profit, but it isn't SP intensive at all and will give you knowledge on how to travel safely in null sec, which will be useful for any activity you might do there in the future
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-09-20 02:19:56 UTC
Faris Sherwiz wrote:
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Don't grind. You're better than that. Scan down someone's mission and take their loot, do some day trading, scam someone, buy things and haul them to where you can sell them for more or suicide gank for profit would be my suggestions.

Or corp theft.


Haha, I try to be a civil person in most games I play. Stealing from others, scamming, and corp theft are definitely off my list of ways to make profit. I know the game is tough and people will try to do it to me but I like to be a nicer player!


There's nothing uncivil about it. You would press the attack buttons in a game of Street Fighter, wouldn't you?

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