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Velicitia
XS Tech
#21 - 2013-09-18 12:52:10 UTC
Well, I ran into this myself (not quite as many accounts ... but the same burnout) ... so what I did was roll a NEW account, and told myself there would be no ties between myself (i.e. Vel) and the new toon ... no ISK, no ships, no affiliation to my corp, no nothing. The only thing I was bringing to the new acct was my (player) skills.

Hopped on board with some newbie corp, and went along for the ride while they made mistakes, and just had fun.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#22 - 2013-09-18 12:55:11 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
It's kinda like with a girl/wife. Either you find yourself aspects that keep you interested, or you get bored with her one day and just stay with her because it's a familiar thing to do - or you leave.


Ironically, you are not far off base there, lol.

The consensus seems to be....

1. Downsize by selling off characters.
2. Do this afterwards.
3A. Focus on my mains, living off of the fruits of my time.
3B. Take an "EvE Break"
3C. Start a new character free of affiliations with a direct aim and goal.
4. Apathy cured Big smile!!!!!!!!

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-09-18 12:56:37 UTC
Sounds like you have no goal anymore.
It won't change until you find a new one.
But with all these chars you get way too much material security, so there's no real excitment anymore, unless you set a really BIG goal.
Another possibility for you is roleplay : Roleplayer don't care about your skills or money. They care about your creativity and ability to immerse yourself into the game's universe.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#24 - 2013-09-18 13:01:30 UTC
Tao Dolcino wrote:
Sounds like you have no goal anymore.
It won't change until you find a new one.
But with all these chars you get way too much material security, so there's no real excitment anymore, unless you set a really BIG goal.
Another possibility for you is roleplay : Roleplayer don't care about your skills or money. They care about your creativity and ability to immerse yourself into the game's universe.


Roleplay is interesting. But it is kinda seen as that dark,weird side of EVE. Kinda like when you are side bar surfing Youtube and end up in some "far out there" places. Not sure if I am quite ready to go there yet, lol.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Julius Priscus
#25 - 2013-09-18 13:05:20 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
It's called burnout. Quit being a turbonerd and enjoy the game as a game.



pretty much this...

if ya leave the game... just let ya accounts die a natural death and return when you feel like it..
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-09-18 13:11:23 UTC
Ok OP this is what you do!.. send me all your ISK and start a new character, this isn't over yet..on top of it go join a new player driven corp thats large, and play a silly newb for few months with out using any assets that you may have left!

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#27 - 2013-09-18 13:15:12 UTC
archon o'v wrote:
Ok OP this is what you do!.. send me all your ISK and start a new character, this isn't over yet..on top of it go join a new player driven corp thats large, and play a silly newb for few months with out using any assets that you may have left!




KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.


'Nuff Said.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Jessi Burns
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-09-18 13:24:16 UTC
With 18 characters I would say walk outside sometime.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-09-18 13:26:11 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.

This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.

Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes Roll. Don't wan't to get banned or anything.

Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them.

My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do.

I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun.

So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done?

Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy?

Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.


Complacency through stagnation eh...


Find something new.

You have those passive income accounts? Keep them. Use them to fund a SRP for your new corp members.

What new corp members? The ones you are now recruiting to find something new to to do.

Aren't sure what to try?

Pick one. See if you can create an empire in 6 months and go and take sov. Build a corp specifically to take over a wormhole.

Switch teams in FW.

Build a capital to specifically lose it (Marlona's flight of 1000 rifter event for instance).

Again, have fun!

This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#30 - 2013-09-18 13:31:00 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:


When was the last time you did one of the above - with just one character ?


To be quite honest...not since my first month or two. With the exception of my first 1000 man fight. That was about a year into playing and I only moved a single character out to get the feeling of null sec. Since then, it has all been about maintaining the wallet. And I don't want it to be like that...because then it IS just a job.


Given that, I can understand where you're coming from.
You know what to do, go on, get away from these forums, grab a frosty, sit down and make some tough decisions Big smile

Tero Shumar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-09-18 14:45:39 UTC
Hello there

Im a guy that played quite a lot MMO games and EVE is one of them, actually eve is last in a row. From my experience in previous games, on purpose, i created only one character in EVE knowing from the start it will be only one; ive basicly nerfed myself by playing on guy only, but in the long run ill stay interested in game longer as i would never get every aspect of the game able to play.
I will in 40 years :) but somehow i dont expect playing it when im 70

Im not gonna say which MMOs were those as i might tick people in starting to compare EVE with those. The idea behind multiple characters its always the same. Try mulpile aspects and eventually you have nothing else to do.

Soo play just one character in some new game out there. At first will feel horrible but you will "enjoy" time spent longer.

Food for thought.

Fly safe.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2013-09-18 15:16:47 UTC
Find a way to destroy all of the Ritalin and Prozac factories in the world and then you'll see the game get interesting.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-09-18 16:04:18 UTC
I have no advice to give you OP about how to defeat your apathy. Frankly, I've always found these "I'm don't know what to do next" threads confusing, as I have never experienced this "burnout" people speak of.

I've been playing EVE online since May 3, 2007 (wow, just realized it's been 6 years, 4 months and 15 days lol, in another 4 months my time in EVE will have been longer than my 1st marriage), and with the exception of internet service outages, vacations and needing a few days to repair a marriage or 2 that might have been strained by my gaming habits (or , in one case, strained by one of the wive's other boyfriends gaming habit........You just can't trust these Hoes you know), I've played every day.

Missions (high, low, null, cosmos), exploration, faction warfare, pvp starting in npc null and expanding everywhere including high sec war, SOV warfare, live events etc etc for more than 6 years. And STILL i find excuses to put out my laptop during a break at work to fiddle with EFT or EVEMON and i can't wait to get home sometimes just to die in a virtual fire. I've been playing other games like Tanks or Mechwarrior and a fitting idea dragged me out of that other virtual universe and right back into EVE.

Hellfire, I use a radio on my job everyday and more than once I've caught myself saying "quiet on comms" instead of "keep this channel clear for emergency traffic only" lol.

I've been on my IRL job for 17 years, 15 with my current employer. I train fresh out of training rookies. I've had former trainees come to me after 2,3 or 4 years on the job telling me about how they feel burned out or are considering doing something else. I tell them that I'm sorry if this is harsh, but I'm going to say it anyway because the truth is one of the most useful things you'll ever encounter....


...I tell them that maybe this job isn't for them.

It's not that they can't do the job (truthfully, a concussed monkey with a bad attitude and a drinking problem can do what I do everyday lol), it's that this is the kind of job that sucks real, moldy ass if your heart isn't fully in it. It's ok if your heart isn't in it, but be smart enough to get out before you hurt yourself or ending up hurting someone else.. There are other jobs.

Well, even though you can't hurt yourself playing EVE except for maybe carpal tunnel, it's a less pressing issue here, but the same thinking applies: If you heart isn't into this virtual hobby, walk away till it is, or stay away if it never is. There are other games.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-09-18 16:09:00 UTC
Whenever I feel apathetic about eve, but still want to play, I load up the vagabond with some small mobile warp disruptor IIs and head for renter space.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Goran Konjich
Krompany
#35 - 2013-09-18 16:38:16 UTC
One idea --> sell all this alts buy one with skills you want, have fun with one toon ... you will not miss the isk for sure.

And ISK is not for real, you know.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#36 - 2013-09-18 16:47:09 UTC
I have a feeling this was brougth on by someone else Lol
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-09-18 17:03:24 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.

This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.

Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes Roll. Don't wan't to get banned or anything.

Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them.

My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do.

I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun.

So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done?

Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy?

Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.


I felt the same after 3 weeks into the game, then i decided to wipe out goonswarm

this gave the whole thing meaning
Eggs Ackley
#38 - 2013-09-18 17:06:24 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.

This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.

Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes Roll. Don't wan't to get banned or anything.

Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them.

My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do.

I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun.

So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done?

Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy?

Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.



It's a friggin' game. Take a break. I sometimes leave for 6 months or more.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#39 - 2013-09-18 17:52:44 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:


I felt the same after 3 weeks into the game, then i decided to wipe out goonswarm

this gave the whole thing meaning


Harry, all due respect, you will never wipe out Goonswarm. No matter how many cyno ships you destroy. For every one, sits 500 more, all loaded up with ozone. But that could be my ex-CFC sentiments talking, lol.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2013-09-19 00:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.

This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.

Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes Roll. Don't wan't to get banned or anything.


You have still one more kind of "burnout" ahead of you: become a bittervet of all MMOs in general.

I have played so many MUDs and then MMOs since the '90s that it's now become like a physical feature like having brown hairs or two eyes.

These days when a new decent title enough comes out, I sub to it, usually without stopping the others. I still have 3 subs to a MMO I subbed to in 2003!
Then I quite rapidly climb it up and get super-rich or reach some other objective (could be: clear all top PvE content, be in top PvP server guild or get top min maxed gear for the games aiming to that) and then get bored. Really bored.

Does not help that passing the years, MMOs seem getting visibly dumber and shallower.

In the beginning I stopped playing them after 5-6 years now 1-2 years and MMOs bore me.

The only 3 exceptions are:

- a 2003 MMO where I have such abusively old friends that I just can't leave them forever. I get back every some weeks and it's like meeting with your Australian nephew you don't see since he was a child. This year I met an old friend who stopped playing that MMO in 2005.

- a 2008 PvP MMO where I have some nice friends, my character is beyond min maxed in every way so I may get back and play with them for some months before some new stuff in RL makes me too busy to keep playing as I want.

- EvE. Because I have several friends and a substantial meta game.


You may see what those MMOs have in common: friends and other human factors.

That is, try stopping thinking about the mechanical, menial objectives the game poses to you and start going beyond them.

Go human. Go friends. Go for the same objectives a non MMO player goes after in RL to earn his niche in the RL community.

In the best case you'll stick to the MMO with renewed interest, in the worst (gaming speaking) case you have trained better at earning your niche in the RL community.
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