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How would you handle this supercarrier situation?

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Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-09-17 05:39:26 UTC
Ok, so, let me just start out by saying that you're not going to scam me out of it. Cool

Here is the situation. A friend of mine that I go back with all the way to my early UO days, who also used to play Eve quite a bit, decided to quit a couple years ago. He remembers that one of his characters is sitting in a supercarrier in some random null system somewhere, but he can't remember where.

He's offered to give me his character with the super.

Now, at this point, he's probably been kicked from his corp, and whatever system he logs in at is probably not going to be friendly space.

So, assuming that I get this character, how should I handle logging on?

I know I'll be able to see the system from the login window, but I assume that I'll warp to the last location that he logged off at, which was probably inside of a POS, which may or may not be there anymore.

What I was thinking was having an alt fly to that system, wait until just after downtime, and log in with the alt to make sure the system is clear. Have another cyno alt in range that can light the cyno and jump somewhere safer.

Does anyone else have any ideas on how to further minimize the risk?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#2 - 2013-09-17 05:44:40 UTC
FYI, the owner has to transfer the character to an account owned by you. The account can't be given to you, so before you start, you'll have to deal with that.

Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#3 - 2013-09-17 05:45:53 UTC
You pretty much hit the nail on the head... except for the part were you were going to let me, hold, that carrier for safe keeping Twisted

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Dhar'aul
Timberton Holdings
#4 - 2013-09-17 06:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dhar'aul
First things first, I seem to remember that if a supercap pilot hasn't logged on in zomg years, he is moved to station dock (i.e. where he had it's clone at), super and all. You will be able to see if that's the case when you are at the login screen, it will say something along the lines "docked up in zzz". Just pray you are not docked up in a staging sys...

If you are indeed docked, log in at your leisure, survey the fit, get a cloak installed, see if you have enough jump fuel !. You may even be able to buy stuff from the station you are docked.

If you are not docked, you will still be able to see where the char is located, compute needed amount of fuel to jump to safe sys beforehand, then you'll have to log in just before DT (2 minutes or so), survey the fit, see about jump fuel.
Have your cyno alt in the safe sys, ready to light up the cyno if you do have enough fuel and gtfo in one go if possible.

You may need to have a carrier meet you in the safe sys to refuel/refit, just in case (i.e. can only make 1 jump before running out of fuel).


Gl

P.S. I know a guy, who knows a guy, who manages supercap hand overs, just let me know the sys and I'll have the professional supercap mover in your system, ready to offer assistance.
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-17 06:39:29 UTC
This is a awkward situation you are in, mate. You will have to get the character transferred to your account first tho, so you can at least see the system he is in.

There are by the way Mercenary Alliances out there, that might be willing to help you undock/log in safely and get the f---- out of where ever you are trapped.

Such as, for example, Suddenly Spaceships. :)

If you want to talk about that option, have a chat with me or join the channel "Suddenly Contracts" and talk to one of the Suddenly guys there.

(this option of course involves ISK to be payed when your super is safe - but well, in the end you will have a superBlink)

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Espae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-09-17 06:43:14 UTC
Oh, good tip about logging in right before downtime to check things out!

I assumed I'd have to transfer the character eventually, but just to get it safe, we could get him a plex and have him jump to me, but thanks for the reminder on that. I was going to look up the rules about accounts, but hadn't yet.

This is still in the early stages, but I wanted to think it through beforehand.
Epithal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-09-17 07:37:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Epithal
How to evac:

1) resub account
2) petition ccp to grant safe return, ccp moves ship into highsec
3) jump super to your pos

4) transfer character to your account
5) now you can play it
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#8 - 2013-09-17 07:48:55 UTC
Espae wrote:
Oh, good tip about logging in right before downtime to check things out!

I assumed I'd have to transfer the character eventually, but just to get it safe, we could get him a plex and have him jump to me, but thanks for the reminder on that. I was going to look up the rules about accounts, but hadn't yet.

This is still in the early stages, but I wanted to think it through beforehand.


You dont have tro transfer the account really to get the super safe. You can ask your friend to log in to get the super safe (or something) and you can worry about the use of the account and thransfer of the char to the proper account later.

Obviously all those offering to help you are really looking to get a supercap kill, or there is a significant chance thats all they are doing which amount to the same. I highly doubt anyone would accept payment after the ss is safe lol.

Using Chribba etc is safer in cases where you transfer ownership but in your case you need actual on grid assistance and the valid options are two. Ingame help from real life friends (none of whose gf you have boned recently) or do it on your own.

gl & hf,

remember locator agents are already running on you and your alts as we speak...
Dhar'aul
Timberton Holdings
#9 - 2013-09-17 08:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dhar'aul
Quote:
remember locator agents are already running on you and your alts as we speak...


No they're not



or maybe


possibly...



Pirate



Oh w8...another forum alt parked in Jita ? uh... *goes back to do other stuffs*
Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-09-17 08:24:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Camper101
Crellion wrote:

Obviously all those offering to help you are really looking to get a supercap kill, or there is a significant chance thats all they are doing which amount to the same. I highly doubt anyone would accept payment after the ss is safe lol.


Obviously we are
a) not as desperate as you kill a single super
and obviously
b) a contract can be insured via 3rd parties of your choice as Chribba, Darknesss or whatever (3rd party gets worth of super from us and hands it back to us when contract is done or gives it to the contractor when we should decide to blow it up)

If someone really thinks we want to ruin our ongoing merc business for 1 ship, when we could just start another Asakai again Cool I feel sorry for you.

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-09-17 08:36:36 UTC
...alternatively, your friend can just check out the state of affairs on this toon, sell it via bazar and give that ISK to you if he's really going to leave. Unless you want that super for yourself ofc.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-09-17 09:28:13 UTC
Why would he need to transfer the toon.

I wouldn't think it would be against the EULA to use the toon on the other account. Its not "sharing" the account if he is the sole user of the account (since his friend long ago quit). Would he not be allowed to just takeover his friends account wholesale?
Dono Tashu
Old Archetypes
#13 - 2013-09-17 09:51:28 UTC
Or plan B:
Use the API Info to find out what the ship has equipped and where it is. You can even see how much fuel it has.

Get the char transfered to your account, activate the API, read the API assets (for example with evemon), transfer me 10 million Blink.

You can even see if the ship is docked or not.



For the question with the "account sharing".
Only the original owner of the account can use this account and all characters on this account.
He cant just give you the account login and you use it from now on. This is now allowed.

He has to transfer the character to one of your accounts. This is the only legal way.



For info. The API should even work while the account is not active. He can activate the API and you can read it out. This way you can find out if he really still has the supercap. Maybe, if he didnt log on for so long, he dont even has the super anymore (hacking, sharing, corpmember took it, .....).
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-09-17 10:26:08 UTC
CCP will move it all for you.

No Worries

Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#15 - 2013-09-17 12:39:46 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
Crellion wrote:

Obviously all those offering to help you are really looking to get a supercap kill, or there is a significant chance thats all they are doing which amount to the same. I highly doubt anyone would accept payment after the ss is safe lol.


Obviously we are
a) not as desperate as you kill a single super
and obviously
b) a contract can be insured via 3rd parties of your choice as Chribba, Darknesss or whatever (3rd party gets worth of super from us and hands it back to us when contract is done or gives it to the contractor when we should decide to blow it up)

If someone really thinks we want to ruin our ongoing merc business for 1 ship, when we could just start another Asakai again Cool I feel sorry for you.


Ummm trust me if I was desperate I could get on TS and fleet up with the best at this currently on TQ every single night. I choose not to, ergo not really that depserate.

Contracts via Chribba: I wasnt aware, thank you for educating me.

As for your ongoing business and all that I am sure you are very importan tand powerfull and have fun with it. The fact remains when someone offers this type of assistance on the forums there is a significant chance he is trying to get an easy mom kill. If I was him I would probably not trust you but he can make his own mind up...
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2013-09-17 14:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Dono Tashu wrote:
Or plan B:
Use the API Info to find out what the ship has equipped and where it is. You can even see how much fuel it has.

Get the char transfered to your account, activate the API, read the API assets (for example with evemon), transfer me 10 million Blink.

You can even see if the ship is docked or not.



For the question with the "account sharing".
Only the original owner of the account can use this account and all characters on this account.
He cant just give you the account login and you use it from now on. This is now allowed.

He has to transfer the character to one of your accounts. This is the only legal way.



For info. The API should even work while the account is not active. He can activate the API and you can read it out. This way you can find out if he really still has the supercap. Maybe, if he didnt log on for so long, he dont even has the super anymore (hacking, sharing, corpmember took it, .....).

The reason CCP is against account sharing/trading is that in the past players have exploited it to scam other players. Some players have sold accounts, only to later petion CCP that the account was stolen and get it back, thus scamming the purchaser.

To avoid these scams this rule was put into place. If you buy or use an account that belongs to someone else, you have no legal rights to that account. At any time the original owner can get it back through a petition and CCP will will respond as if you had stolen the account. CCP can and does track the IP accounts are accessed from, I had a few issues when I moved as I accessed my account from 3 different IPs and all 3 changed when I moved. I was flagged for suspected account hijacking. I was contacted by CCP and had to verify my address change to avoid having my accounts locked.

That being said, if your friends account has been dormant for some time, logging into it from your location should be fine, they should just assume the owner moved, although there may be an issue with the account being accessed from the same IP as other accounts belonging to another player. I know there have been issues with this in student dorms, especially when a new player is prevented from logging into a trial account because another account is already logged in from that IP.

Transferring the character is the safest way, but you should not have a problem taking over his account, as long as the account contact information is changed over to your e-mail, and possibly your credit card, making you the account holder before you log in. As long as your friend does not decide he wants his account back, you should be fine, but if he does, CCP will treat you as if you stole the account, even though he gave it to you. These rules exist to protect players from account theft and hacking, not to prevent the reactivation of a friends dormant account. I do not expect CCP would enforce this unless the original account holder filed a petition for a hacked/stolen account. I would say this is a grey area, But I expect if a GM was to comment they would say it is black and white, that no you can not take over his account.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-17 14:50:48 UTC
Epithal wrote:
How to evac:

1) resub account
2) petition ccp to grant safe return, ccp moves ship into highsec
3) jump super to your pos

4) transfer character to your account
5) now you can play it




If said character is unsub for over 6 mths seems CCP system docks ship/character in closest NPC low/null station.

I'm not sure 100% about this but around 90%, it actually might happen after petition therefore the 10%, don't know neither if all assets are moved to same station of stay in previous one.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-09-17 14:54:53 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
CCP can and does track the IP accounts are accessed from, I had a few issues when I moved as I accessed my account from 3 different IPs and all 3 changed when I moved. I was flagged for suspected account hijacking. I was contacted by CCP and had to verify my address change to avoid having my accounts locked.



And about floating IPs ??

This seems quite weird as policy since you can hide/fix your IP permanently or have floating ones or some more funky stuff. MAC addresses can be changed too (hardware) so the possibilities to "workaround" are quite large.

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Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#19 - 2013-09-17 16:55:10 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
This is a awkward situation you are in, mate. You will have to get the character transferred to your account first tho, so you can at least see the system he is in.

There are by the way Mercenary Alliances out there, that might be willing to help you undock/log in safely and get the f---- out of where ever you are trapped.

Such as, for example, Suddenly Spaceships. :)

If you want to talk about that option, have a chat with me or join the channel "Suddenly Contracts" and talk to one of the Suddenly guys there.

(this option of course involves ISK to be payed when your super is safe - but well, in the end you will have a superBlink)



These terribles fly around where i live in deviod/bleak lands and use bait mallers/sacrilige and/or 4968375 HACs with 576383 logi, and if GOD FORBID you actually engage they will drop their supercarriers/dreads/machs blah blah. So yea....spare yourself the bullshit. This guys lying for the sake of a SC kill. Pretty gay they got to troll lthe forums just to whore on a kill with 56731 other people. They are pro.
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#20 - 2013-09-17 16:58:04 UTC
Camper101 wrote:
Crellion wrote:

Obviously all those offering to help you are really looking to get a supercap kill, or there is a significant chance thats all they are doing which amount to the same. I highly doubt anyone would accept payment after the ss is safe lol.


Obviously we are
a) VERY VERY desperate TO kill a single super
and obviously
b) ALL OG B IS BULSHIT

If someone really thinks we want to ruin our ongoing merc business for 1 ship, when we could just start another Asakai again Cool I feel sorry for you.



Fixed.
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