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destroyers - gankers and high sec

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Belana Mawr
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-09-15 15:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Belana Mawr
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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#2 - 2013-09-15 15:25:50 UTC
You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).

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Belana Mawr
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-09-15 15:27:18 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).



Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,
Dave Stark
#4 - 2013-09-15 15:27:25 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:
They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps


link fit or i must be forced to call you a liar.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2013-09-15 15:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Belana Mawr wrote:
I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.

All the victim gets is a kill right and at best might take out another destroyer worth 3 mill. This is worthless and not a deterrent. Most gankers in 0.5 are flashy red and you don't need kill rights to fire on them. They sit at safe spots and have alts deliver destroyers to them then bookmark and warp in on there targets often snagging the pods too because of the concord response times.

What can we suggest to CCP to implement and make ganking more cost worthy? I am all for risk = isk but it seems to me there is little or no defence to these over powered destroyers

We have seen a lot of rebalancing in the last couple of patches. Is the answer to nuke the dps of destroyers and force gankers to use more expensive ships?
An 800 650-700 DPS destroyer is in the region of 11 million isk to purchase and fit, if you can supply and fit them for 3 million isk, I can point you in the direction of some very very interested customers. It also requires maxed out skills to get anywhere near that figure.

Your numbers are way off by the way, to kill a Skiff or Procuror before Concord turns up takes way more than 2 destroyers (around 20 seconds in a 0.5) Retrievers and untanked Mackinaws can be soloed, tanked Mackinaws take between 2-4 destroyers depending on fit and system security rating. A Hulk should never be mining solo anyway, they're next to useless without an Orca to supplement the ore bay.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#6 - 2013-09-15 15:30:45 UTC
Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.

It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.

ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.

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Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-15 15:34:06 UTC
800DPS Dessie, where can I get that fit?

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SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#8 - 2013-09-15 15:34:14 UTC
why not afk mine and watch local. I mean avoid being ganked is easy.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#9 - 2013-09-15 15:34:26 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:
I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes.




S Byerley, is that you?

Wait, don't answer. You could get banned for claiming to be an alt.
Belana Mawr
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-15 15:34:46 UTC
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#11 - 2013-09-15 15:35:24 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
You can make the gank cost more if you use a Skiff (I think thats the tanky barge).



Then they team up and 2 destroyers (6mills worth) will take out your skiff

and still have time to pop your pod,


Then you are doing something wrong.

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-09-15 15:39:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Domanique Altares
Belana Mawr wrote:
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil



Perhaps you didn't bother to notice that the Retriever (not Hulk) was completely untanked? The fact that the pod was killed before CONCORD killed the ganker indicates that the pilot was AFK.

Get your facts straight before you start slinging **** at the wall to see what sticks.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2013-09-15 15:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Belana Mawr wrote:
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil


That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.

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Belana Mawr
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-09-15 15:40:29 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Best I've ever gotten is 500ish DPS range off a Catalyst.

It takes more like..10-12 Cats to drop a Skiff, not 2.

ISK tanking is an awful idea. Ship worth should have no bearing on it's survivability.




Your wrong

8-10 could near on take out an orca with the response times in 0.5
Belana Mawr
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-09-15 15:41:02 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Belana Mawr wrote:
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil


That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.





Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit
Jim Roebuck
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-09-15 15:41:52 UTC
I did a quick EFT fit for a Catalyst going for 800 DPS, highest I've managed to get was 612, so you sir are wrong about an 800 DPS Catalyst fit.

When Bon Scott died and he appeared before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, St. Peter looked at his record and told him he couldn't get in. Just then, God screams at Peter, "Let him in, Karen Carpenter is driving me nuts. I want to hear some music with balls. We'll haggle over the paperwork later." At least I hope that's what happened.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#17 - 2013-09-15 15:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Belana Mawr wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Belana Mawr wrote:
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil


That wasn't a Hulk, it was a Retriever, big difference especially in cost.





Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit


Nope 3 highsec kills according to battleclinic (ugh) 2 Retrievers and a Mackinaw (10 pilots involved on this one)
Eve-Kill lists no hulk kills for him either.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#18 - 2013-09-15 15:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Belana Mawr wrote:
ok I may have exaggerated at the cost of the ship but as this link shows

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20539008

this fit can take out a hulk and pod for only 11mil




Point being? ISK worth is not a tank.

your hulk= http://www.oilgasdrillingrigs.com/images/truck-mounted-drilling-rig.jpg

A destroyer= http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110401155355/battlefield/images/e/e0/LAV-25.JPG

Yes, in a fight between a combat vessel and a civilian mineral extraction ship, the combat vessel wins.


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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-09-15 15:44:51 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:



Look at the same pilot... he took out 3 hulks with the same fit



Are you even reading the links that you're posting? Do you know how to read them?
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-15 15:45:31 UTC
Belana Mawr wrote:
I am seeing gankers kill ships on 0.5 every 20 minutes. They use 3mills isk worth of destroyer that packs an 800dps hit and is more than capable of taking down 250mill worth of hulk tanked or otherwise.




My skills are okay.

2 million catalyst - Around 340 dps
11 million catalyst - around 580-600 dps

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