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Tribal Liberation Force on verge of historic victory

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Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#1 - 2013-09-14 07:56:15 UTC
In recent weeks, the Tribal Liberation Force has swept through the systems claimed by the Amarr Empire, in Devoid and the Bleak Lands, driving out the Imperial forces.

At this time, all of the previously Amarr claimed systems are now occupied by Republic forces, allowing the Republic Fleet transports to evacuate any Minmatar people from the planets.

Only a handful of Minmatar systems are under nominal Imperial control, and these will be liberated shortly.

A source within the Tribal Liberation Force say their current efforts in the warzone relate to patrols to keep out any agents of the Amarr Certified News, who may be attempting to produce false footage claiming massacres of non-Minmatar people in the warzones.

Maleatu Shakor has not yet made any announcements regarding the TLF's historic victory, but is expected to comment once the remaining Minmatar systems are resecured.

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.

Some Republic politicians are agitating for the Fleet to mass for a strike on the Amarr throne worlds, to avenge the Elder Fleet's defeat at Sarum Prime, and to send a loud message to the Empress Jamyl.

Gutter Press will report on these events as needed.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#2 - 2013-09-14 08:00:21 UTC
Since when did Gutter Press make accurate reports and broadcasts? I think a name-change might be in order...

-Eran
Tamonash en Welle
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-09-14 09:25:59 UTC
Yeah well, Gutter Press appears to have "forgotten", that unless you got ground superiority too, you are not going to get many slaves moved anywhere.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#4 - 2013-09-14 10:29:27 UTC
Luckily, last we heard, there were only a couple of districts in Mary hands. They have started to push back, but I think we finally have a good window for mass evacuation in several systems.

Elsebeth
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#5 - 2013-09-14 17:43:35 UTC
O Minmatar Militia how great is the wrath you pile up for yourselves in God's holy storehouse.

For every Amarr Navy captain you destroy with your primitive, barbaric projectile weapons will testify against you at your Inquisition before God's holy throne; every "Loyalty Point" you gorge yourself upon will be repaid a hundred times over on the day of God's Judgement.

We in the Crusade will answer to God for our failures in prosecuting God's holiest charge — the Reclaiming — but how much more will you suffer for having committed the greatest of sins — the Un-Reclaiming?

So great is the wrath of God upon you, that only by defection to God's one and only instrument of salvation in this world — the Amarr Empire — might you have any chance at salvation. Better yet, sell yourselves into slavery, that after nine generations of the lash and the collar and the Vitoc may your decendants present themselves righteously before God.

Amen. Amarr Victor.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#6 - 2013-09-14 18:04:52 UTC
O let me live a dutiful life
Let me find my Fate and fulfill it
Let my ancestors smile upon me
Today, and on the day of my death
Let their kind spirits carry my soul
When I leave this world of the Evil God

(trad, Sb., Mikramurka, Matar)
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-14 19:02:59 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
O Minmatar Militia how great is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Do you know how much difference Amarrian rhetoric has made to the war effort against the Minmatar?

I'll give you a hint, you stupid little troll: it rhymes with "shmabsolutely shmucking shmothing you shmottom shlicker."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-09-14 19:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
What's the issue here, provided the TLF is taking only those who wish to leave?

Slavery is illegal in Minmatar territory, exactly as it is in State and Federation territory. The Empire signed the CEWPA legislation into law, so the transition of authority has their legal blessing. Any slaves who leave the borders of the Empire are legally freed and can, therefore, make their own decision to relocate. If the TLF are kindly footing the bill of this relocation, then it's certainly not a matter for censure, is it?

You can guarantee that the TLF isn't removing any Matari who wish to stay, right Ms Rhiannon? And it's not carrying out any war crimes or atrocities on the remaining population?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#9 - 2013-09-14 20:13:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I'll give you a hint, you stupid little troll: it rhymes with "shmabsolutely shmucking shmothing you shmottom shlicker."


They who use foul language shall have their very words read back to them on the day of Judgement.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-09-14 20:20:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
What's the issue here, provided the TLF is taking only those who wish to leave?

Slavery is illegal in Minmatar territory, exactly as it is in State and Federation territory. The Empire signed the CEWPA legislation into law, so the transition of authority has their legal blessing. Any slaves who leave the borders of the Empire are legally freed and can, therefore, make their own decision to relocate. If the TLF are kindly footing the bill of this relocation, then it's certainly not a matter for censure, is it?

You can guarantee that the TLF isn't removing any Matari who wish to stay, right Ms Rhiannon? And it's not carrying out any war crimes or atrocities on the remaining population?


If it's true that the Shakorite forces can legally emancipate slaves living in territory that they capture, then it logically follows that Amarrian forces can legally enslave anyone in territory under imperial occupation.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2013-09-14 20:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
That would be a matter of Imperial Law, I believe Mr Blake. It's certain that they could enslave those who commit the sort of crimes for which people are habitually enslaved in the Empire. Legally and with the blessing of the Matari government, who signed the selfsame legislation that makes the emancipation of slaves in the sectors they occupy legal.

I don't think it's legal to just enslave people willy-nilly though, is it?

The Law may overturn Reason, but Reason may never overturn the Law.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-14 22:14:41 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I'll give you a hint, you stupid little troll: it rhymes with "shmabsolutely shmucking shmothing you shmottom shlicker."


They who use foul language shall have their very words read back to them on the day of Judgement.


I don't think that would be possible for most of us Gallenteans to sit through for one day. How about you change it to judgement week, maybe even judgement fortnight?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-09-14 23:28:39 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I don't think it's legal to just enslave people willy-nilly though, is it?

The Empire is legally forbidden by CONCORD from enslaving citizens of other nations. It conveniently has no such provision forbidding the emancipation of slaves by non-Imperials, however.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Frencai Ayan
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-09-14 23:30:52 UTC
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.


I'm frankly quite outraged that the 'liberators' in this situation would be so cruel so as to become part of the slave trade by refusing to participate in its dissolution on anything but the most racist level possible. Do they forget so easily that many of them would still be enslaved if not for assistance from those from outside of any of their 'tribes'?

This is the real tragedy here. I can only request of the gods that other TLF members will not follow in the footsteps of this slaver-enabler.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-09-15 00:30:19 UTC
Are there really Holders who hadn't removed their slaves from the warzone once our last invasion force departed for null-sec? I didn't know anyone still had assets out there.

Well, I suppose that is the risk they run if they are out there.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2013-09-15 00:47:04 UTC
Frencai Ayan wrote:
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.


I'm frankly quite outraged that the 'liberators' in this situation would be so cruel so as to become part of the slave trade by refusing to participate in its dissolution on anything but the most racist level possible. Do they forget so easily that many of them would still be enslaved if not for assistance from those from outside of any of their 'tribes'?

This is the real tragedy here. I can only request of the gods that other TLF members will not follow in the footsteps of this slaver-enabler.



Remember - Liberating people who don't want to be liberated is called 'Kidnapping'.

No means no!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#17 - 2013-09-15 01:34:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Laurentis Thiesant
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Frencai Ayan wrote:
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.


I'm frankly quite outraged that the 'liberators' in this situation would be so cruel so as to become part of the slave trade by refusing to participate in its dissolution on anything but the most racist level possible. Do they forget so easily that many of them would still be enslaved if not for assistance from those from outside of any of their 'tribes'?

This is the real tragedy here. I can only request of the gods that other TLF members will not follow in the footsteps of this slaver-enabler.



Remember - Liberating people who don't want to be liberated is called 'Kidnapping'.

No means no!


That was not the topic, Pieter and you know it.

The article puts forward that these people are being left there because they're not of the prescribed race, as opposed to any matter of consent. It is a concerning development, and I'd note that the Federation continues to offer support to all refugees and immigrant in equal measure, regardless of such concerns.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2013-09-15 03:02:05 UTC
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Frencai Ayan wrote:
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.


I'm frankly quite outraged that the 'liberators' in this situation would be so cruel so as to become part of the slave trade by refusing to participate in its dissolution on anything but the most racist level possible. Do they forget so easily that many of them would still be enslaved if not for assistance from those from outside of any of their 'tribes'?

This is the real tragedy here. I can only request of the gods that other TLF members will not follow in the footsteps of this slaver-enabler.



Remember - Liberating people who don't want to be liberated is called 'Kidnapping'.

No means no!


That was not the topic, Pieter and you know it.

The article puts forward that these people are being left there because they're not of the prescribed race, as opposed to any matter of consent. It is a concerning development, and I'd note that the Federation continues to offer support to all refugees and immigrant in equal measure, regardless of such concerns.


I'm sorry, but you should pick apart the statement I quoted before claiming I'm out of context.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#19 - 2013-09-15 09:16:51 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Laurentis Thiesant wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Frencai Ayan wrote:
Constantly Outraged Sebiestor wrote:

"It's not about glory, it's about rescuing our kin from the Imperials", said one TLF member.
"We took away all our people, only the Ni-Kunni and Ealurian slaves are left on those hideous worlds, and who cares about them?" said another.

I'm frankly quite outraged that the 'liberators' in this situation would be so cruel so as to become part of the slave trade by refusing to participate in its dissolution on anything but the most racist level possible. Do they forget so easily that many of them would still be enslaved if not for assistance from those from outside of any of their 'tribes'?
This is the real tragedy here. I can only request of the gods that other TLF members will not follow in the footsteps of this slaver-enabler.

Remember - Liberating people who don't want to be liberated is called 'Kidnapping'.
No means no!

That was not the topic, Pieter and you know it.
The article puts forward that these people are being left there because they're not of the prescribed race, as opposed to any matter of consent. It is a concerning development, and I'd note that the Federation continues to offer support to all refugees and immigrant in equal measure, regardless of such concerns.

I'm sorry, but you should pick apart the statement I quoted before claiming I'm out of context.


Not without precedent

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/entire-colony-of-minmatar-slaves-goes-missing-1/

You will see here, that Minmatar persons, raiding a slave training facility, only took away the Minmatar slaves, and left the Ealurian and Ni-Kunni slaves behind.

Indeed, the Ealurians and Ni-Kunni were, forced back into their cells, when the raiders saw they were not Minmatar.

Not just left behind, no. The raiders also took away all the weapons, with which those Ealurians and Ni-Kunni might have been able to fight for their freedom.

So, instead, the Ealurian and Ni-Kunni were, quite knowingly, abandoned to be slaves. No freedom for them.

If this is a "concerning development", it is most definitely not a recent one.

Remember, they say "we come for our people", not "we come for all the slaves".

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-15 11:00:02 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
O Minmatar Militia how great is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


And now we all know what is going on inside Ixiris' brain when he read other people's posts.
Quite explains, why he spits so much lies and can't operate with facts.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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