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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#41 - 2013-09-13 19:06:42 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:

Don't ever get a girlfriend dude.. You will never be happy.. Or you'll make her miserable with your constantly badgering her.. What are we, are we together, what do you think we are, please tell me I need to know... etc.


Happily married for several years, and ironically, these are not only my concerns, but hers as well, since she plays. Also have two kids, so I am used to dealing with attitudes like yours. Not that any of that is your concern.

Stay on topic, thanks.


So you both just settled? congrats.. and ****... why procreate more stupidity into this world?!


Exactly how is this stupidity, care to explain?

Transparency was promised, period.

Spin is what we have received, period.

No, I think the stupidity lies in attacking people's personal lives. Petitioned!!! Have fun.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-09-13 19:09:16 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:

Don't ever get a girlfriend dude.. You will never be happy.. Or you'll make her miserable with your constantly badgering her.. What are we, are we together, what do you think we are, please tell me I need to know... etc.


Happily married for several years, and ironically, these are not only my concerns, but hers as well, since she plays. Also have two kids, so I am used to dealing with attitudes like yours. Not that any of that is your concern.

Stay on topic, thanks.


So you both just settled? congrats.. and ****... why procreate more stupidity into this world?!


Exactly how is this stupidity, care to explain?

Transparency was promised, period.

Spin is what we have received, period.

No, I think the stupidity lies in attacking people's personal lives. Petitioned!!! Have fun.

I didn't attack. I just stated stuff based on how you act on a forum. If its true not my fault your "happy" life is a sham.

Plus you are too daft to even realize that this has all been told why things changed..
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#43 - 2013-09-13 19:10:52 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
No I'd rather play the game then ***** and complain because I don't know every second of the day when the Dev's take a ****. The rest doesn't make sense to me and not sure why I was quoted.. I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.. or the whine fest some of you do..


Nine years of having fun, mate. After awhile, you get a general scope of where future fun is headed, and it's an amazing feeling when GMs mirror that scope freely within expression. There came a time when we almost lost EVE, back with an expansion called Incarna. Old issues were further ignored, micro transactions of ridiculous scales over monocles just about took over the entire future scope of EVE.

Then the community responded. Much of which started by a single player like the one you are bashing for his multiple posts in reaching out to the crowd of EVE and letting them all know what's going on. Even if the guy isn't citing things correctly or blowing things out of proportion, he's letting a community dedicated to numbers and mindsets (you have to be to get ahead in EVE) know something's up.

We do our homework.

Don't shoot the messenger, even if he's off by a longshot. And don't insult the relationship this community has with its devs; we go back a long way... Blink

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2013-09-13 19:16:39 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Again... try to put it into coherent words... what is it you want to know?


I would like to know why the meta is being attacked via the TOS changes.

I would like to know if our future is a future outlined in the "Greed is Good" corporate documents that came to light during Incarna.

I would like to know if there is going to be any meaningful content released in the future, or if we can continue to expect endless rebalance.

These things do not just affect me, but those who have held this game up over the course of ten years. And I would like answers that are not intentionally vague. This is what transparency entails.

I think you need to understand that "Transparency" does not mean "cater to your every whim".

As plainly stated, nothing has changed in the meta. Things will continue as they have before.

The whole "Greed is good" thing has been beaten to death. If you still don't understand it there is a forum full of old posts that will explain it to you.

I'm ready for more new content and a little less iteration as well. However I also recognize that we begged them to focus on iteration and improvement of existing mechanics, which is exactly what they did. Presentations at last fan fest revealed that they were pretty much on the same page as we are in that regard.

If you want a play by play of what is planned in detail for the next 3 years you aren't going to get it. They are a business, they have competitors. Stop acting like you are 12.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#45 - 2013-09-13 19:17:58 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:

The Devs don't have to tell you ****.. How bout instead of waiting for whats going to happen with the game just play the damn thing?



Indeed.

There is nothing in the EULA saying they have to tell us anything about anything at all.

They are not even required to listen to a thing the CSM says. At all.

I think people forget that ultimately this is a business running a game. That's all.

These are not issues requiring transparency ala national security issues (of which there is zero transparency indeed).


So in other words, what you are saying, is that the CEO of a company should not be held accountable for things that he said to the community as a whole? That sir, is bad business. It destroys the customers trust.


You're missing the point, it's not a question of what is "right" it's a question of the way things "are".

No doubt the execs of CCP could sell the company now and walk away very happy people with a load of money, so while there is still a reasonable level of income I doubt that they need to give a damn what you or anyone thinks.

If you are really unhappy then unsub, and so should everyone else that's truly upset. If enough players do it they will take notice. Again it's not "right" but it's the way things "are".
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-09-13 19:19:25 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
No I'd rather play the game then ***** and complain because I don't know every second of the day when the Dev's take a ****. The rest doesn't make sense to me and not sure why I was quoted.. I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.. or the whine fest some of you do..


Nine years of having fun, mate. After awhile, you get a general scope of where future fun is headed, and it's an amazing feeling when GMs mirror that scope freely within expression. There came a time when we almost lost EVE, back with an expansion called Incarna. Old issues were further ignored, micro transactions of ridiculous scales over monocles just about took over the entire future scope of EVE.

Then the community responded. Much of which started by a single player like the one you are bashing for his multiple posts in reaching out to the crowd of EVE and letting them all know what's going on. Even if the guy isn't citing things correctly or blowing things out of proportion, he's letting a community dedicated to numbers and mindsets (you have to be to get ahead in EVE) know something's up.

We do our homework.

Don't shoot the messenger, even if he's off by a longshot. And don't insult the relationship this community has with its devs; we go back a long way... Blink

Do you even read or comprehend what I type? smh.. I get the whole shutting down transactions but what you can't seem to grasp is they did tell us why the TOS was changed. And they said that "nothing" was changed.. so why the multiple posts when you were told?
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-09-13 19:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tron 3K
Ranger 1 wrote:

I think you need to understand that "Transparency" does not mean "cater to your every whim".

As plainly stated, nothing has changed in the meta. Things will continue as they have before.

The whole "Greed is good" thing has been beaten to death. If you still don't understand it there is a forum full of old posts that will explain it to you.

I'm ready for more new content and a little less iteration as well. However I also recognize that we begged them to focus on iteration and improvement of existing mechanics, which is exactly what they did. Presentations at last fan fest revealed that they were pretty much on the same page as we are in that regard.

If you want a play by play of what is planned in detail for the next 3 years you aren't going to get it. They are a business, they have competitors. Stop acting like you are 12.

Just quoting Ranger cause he said it better than I could. Its simple as that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#48 - 2013-09-13 19:21:33 UTC
Dyvim Slorm wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:

The Devs don't have to tell you ****.. How bout instead of waiting for whats going to happen with the game just play the damn thing?



Indeed.

There is nothing in the EULA saying they have to tell us anything about anything at all.

They are not even required to listen to a thing the CSM says. At all.

I think people forget that ultimately this is a business running a game. That's all.

These are not issues requiring transparency ala national security issues (of which there is zero transparency indeed).


So in other words, what you are saying, is that the CEO of a company should not be held accountable for things that he said to the community as a whole? That sir, is bad business. It destroys the customers trust.


You're missing the point, it's not a question of what is "right" it's a question of the way things "are".

No doubt the execs of CCP could sell the company now and walk away very happy people with a load of money, so while there is still a reasonable level of income I doubt that they need to give a damn what you or anyone thinks.

If you are really unhappy then unsub, and so should everyone else that's truly upset. If enough players do it they will take notice. Again it's not "right" but it's the way things "are".

Well, lets face it, this whole thread is a not so subtle attempt to slip a duplicate whine thread in about the changes in the TOS. He simply tossed in a couple of other topics he hopes are controversial enough to act as red herrings and keep this one from being closed like the dozens of other duplicate threads.

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Tandros Kreel
Genstar Reloaded
Ribbit.
#49 - 2013-09-13 19:27:39 UTC
While you guys ***** and complain on the forums, there are a lot of us, you know, *gasp* actually playing the game.

And enjoying it.






You should try it sometime.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#50 - 2013-09-13 19:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Darek Castigatus
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Again... try to put it into coherent words... what is it you want to know?


I would like to know why the meta is being attacked via the TOS changes.

I would like to know if our future is a future outlined in the "Greed is Good" corporate documents that came to light during Incarna.

I would like to know if there is going to be any meaningful content released in the future, or if we can continue to expect endless rebalance.

These things do not just affect me, but those who have held this game up over the course of ten years. And I would like answers that are not intentionally vague. This is what transparency entails.


in order

1. It isnt, they already said there will be no changes in terms of how they enforce the rules concerning ToS violations. I dont believe they can make it more specific than it is without a bunch of ruleslawyery assholes combing the rules for niche situations they can nitpick to claim what theyre doing is actually ok.

2. I see nothing which indicates that is even remotely possible. If you are concerned about the recent appointments of some ex EA people I really think you 're grasping at straws. In particular Owen O'Brians experience on Mirrors Edge makes him ideally suited for a project like EVE Valkyrie which has to address a lot of the same issues. I also share Mittani writer Sets Chaos' belief, as laid out in this article he wrote about sean deckers hiring, that the CSM would fight any changes that even hinted at that sort of deal tooth and nail.

3. I would rather have interation on existing content that is either making useless things useful (ship rebalancing) or more easily accesible (scanning changes and exploration revamp) than new content for the sake of having new content. Dont get me wrong if someone has a cool idea for something new I would like to see it in the game as much as anyone but fixing broken things and making confusing things less confusing is not a bad use of their time either.

The bottom line is CCP is already more open and accesible than any other company in the industry, if you really cant accept that for what it is then honestly you ask too much of them and should dial back your expectations a bit.

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#51 - 2013-09-13 19:30:38 UTC
No gaming company has the obligation to explain to the subscribers what is behind hirings and firings. On the contrary, those are private decisions made by employees that should not be put in public press, it's just bad form for a company to do otherwise unless there is a serious scandal like T20.

CCPers going to Riot, that was probably due to a massive salary increase. Riot is estimated to make about 200 million dollars a year in revenue, they could quadruple a CCP salary if they wanted to hire someone.

You also want CCP to be more transparent about "dumbing down" the game with features like revamped exploration? CCP has been more than forthcoming about that. In CCPs eyes, they are refining the core features of the game, and there have literally been dozens of dev blogs and perhaps hundreds of dev posts explaining their goals on this front. CCP has also been increasing mineral requirements of ships across the board, I like how you neglect to mention that.

You have unrealistic expectations, are trying to tie outdated statements made about the Incarna fiasco (Incarna is 100% mothballed) to the current day, and are making graidiose claims like "Does half of the community need to unsub for those promises to be kept?" that reek of a thinly veiled whine/troll post.

The reason so many threads are being locked is because so many people are making terrible posts.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#52 - 2013-09-13 19:31:07 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
[quote=KnowUsByTheDead][quote=Ranger 1]
I think you need to understand that "Transparency" does not mean "cater to your every whim".

As plainly stated, nothing has changed in the meta. Things will continue as they have before.

The whole "Greed is good" thing has been beaten to death. If you still don't understand it there is a forum full of old posts that will explain it to you.

I'm ready for more new content and a little less iteration as well. However I also recognize that we begged them to focus on iteration and improvement of existing mechanics, which is exactly what they did. Presentations at last fan fest revealed that they were pretty much on the same page as we are in that regard.

If you want a play by play of what is planned in detail for the next 3 years you aren't going to get it. They are a business, they have competitors. Stop acting like you are 12.

Just quoting Ranger cause he said it better than I could. Its simple as that.


Being that as it may....

At 70+ pages there are still issues over the "unclear" wording and intentions of the TOS. Go ahead...look at the last page...I'll wait.

Did Decker being hired, a self proclaimed "believer in micro-transactions" ever get explained, and fears being put to rest that we would not see gold ammo and like in the near future.

And as I have said before, rebalance is fine, but when you only rebalance, without providing new content, things get stale. Let's keep it real for a moment...Odyssey was eye candy, and the dumbing down of a profession, with rebalance on the side.

Transparency means that one guy could take two hours of of his day for clarification of these things, in a damn blog.

I am not expecting a ******* roadmap of exactly what we are getting in the next three years. That is ludicrous, you know damn well it is not what I am expecting.

I am expecting to know whether the game I started playing years ago, is going to remain true to it's roots, and the social experiment it has become.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#53 - 2013-09-13 19:35:10 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Well, lets face it, this whole thread is a not so subtle attempt to slip a duplicate whine thread in about the changes in the TOS. He simply tossed in a couple of other topics he hopes are controversial enough to act as red herrings and keep this one from being closed like the dozens of other duplicate threads.


And in this case you are wrong, plain and simple. These are growing concerns. In fact, the only reason the TOS changes are there, and affect me, are for spying purposes. This is an issue of the company taking a turn for radio silence yet again, after a conviction of transparency.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#54 - 2013-09-13 19:37:24 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
No I'd rather play the game then ***** and complain because I don't know every second of the day when the Dev's take a ****. The rest doesn't make sense to me and not sure why I was quoted.. I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.. or the whine fest some of you do..


Nine years of having fun, mate. After awhile, you get a general scope of where future fun is headed, and it's an amazing feeling when GMs mirror that scope freely within expression. There came a time when we almost lost EVE, back with an expansion called Incarna. Old issues were further ignored, micro transactions of ridiculous scales over monocles just about took over the entire future scope of EVE.

Then the community responded. Much of which started by a single player like the one you are bashing for his multiple posts in reaching out to the crowd of EVE and letting them all know what's going on. Even if the guy isn't citing things correctly or blowing things out of proportion, he's letting a community dedicated to numbers and mindsets (you have to be to get ahead in EVE) know something's up.

We do our homework.

Don't shoot the messenger, even if he's off by a longshot. And don't insult the relationship this community has with its devs; we go back a long way... Blink

Do you even read or comprehend what I type? smh.. I get the whole shutting down transactions but what you can't seem to grasp is they did tell us why the TOS was changed. And they said that "nothing" was changed.. so why the multiple posts when you were told?


Only things did change, else Band of Brothers would still be here, Guiding Social Hand Club's act would have be reimbursed by CCP. Amongst a slew of other things, clearly these haven't been the rules for the alternative is a vast history of CCP not enforcing them and/or playing favorites.

I think the majority of us would rather fight for the opposite.

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Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#55 - 2013-09-13 19:39:05 UTC
Tandros Kreel wrote:
While you guys ***** and complain on the forums, there are a lot of us, you know, *gasp* actually playing the game.

And enjoying it.






You should try it sometime.


Obvious troll is obvious.

Been playing the game for nine years now, LOL

Biomass yourself plz. Kthx

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-09-13 19:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tron 3K
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
No I'd rather play the game then ***** and complain because I don't know every second of the day when the Dev's take a ****. The rest doesn't make sense to me and not sure why I was quoted.. I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.. or the whine fest some of you do..


Nine years of having fun, mate. After awhile, you get a general scope of where future fun is headed, and it's an amazing feeling when GMs mirror that scope freely within expression. There came a time when we almost lost EVE, back with an expansion called Incarna. Old issues were further ignored, micro transactions of ridiculous scales over monocles just about took over the entire future scope of EVE.

Then the community responded. Much of which started by a single player like the one you are bashing for his multiple posts in reaching out to the crowd of EVE and letting them all know what's going on. Even if the guy isn't citing things correctly or blowing things out of proportion, he's letting a community dedicated to numbers and mindsets (you have to be to get ahead in EVE) know something's up.

We do our homework.

Don't shoot the messenger, even if he's off by a longshot. And don't insult the relationship this community has with its devs; we go back a long way... Blink

Do you even read or comprehend what I type? smh.. I get the whole shutting down transactions but what you can't seem to grasp is they did tell us why the TOS was changed. And they said that "nothing" was changed.. so why the multiple posts when you were told?


Only things did change, else Band of Brothers would still be here, Guiding Social Hand Club's act would have be reimbursed by CCP. Amongst a slew of other things, clearly these haven't been the rules for the alternative is a vast history of CCP not enforcing them and/or playing favorites.

I think the majority of us would rather fight for the opposite.

Okay I haven't been around long but hasn't BoB been gone for quite awhile so the TOS couldn't of hurt them(that is me just saying if something had changed which it didn't, unless you are saying they got hit by the incarna thing but that changed to not exist so maybe they just quit playing cause they got tired of it). The only ones that seem to not grasp it still is goons cause, if something did change and they couldn't scam what would they do with their time?
Tandros Kreel
Genstar Reloaded
Ribbit.
#57 - 2013-09-13 19:42:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tandros Kreel
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
[quote=KnowUsByTheDead][quote=Ranger 1]
I think you need to understand that "Transparency" does not mean "cater to your every whim".

As plainly stated, nothing has changed in the meta. Things will continue as they have before.

The whole "Greed is good" thing has been beaten to death. If you still don't understand it there is a forum full of old posts that will explain it to you.

I'm ready for more new content and a little less iteration as well. However I also recognize that we begged them to focus on iteration and improvement of existing mechanics, which is exactly what they did. Presentations at last fan fest revealed that they were pretty much on the same page as we are in that regard.

If you want a play by play of what is planned in detail for the next 3 years you aren't going to get it. They are a business, they have competitors. Stop acting like you are 12.

Just quoting Ranger cause he said it better than I could. Its simple as that.


Being that as it may....

At 70+ pages there are still issues over the "unclear" wording and intentions of the TOS. Go ahead...look at the last page...I'll wait.

Did Decker being hired, a self proclaimed "believer in micro-transactions" ever get explained, and fears being put to rest that we would not see gold ammo and like in the near future.

They don't have to explain a damn thing to you when it pertains to hiring and/or firing an employee

And as I have said before, rebalance is fine, but when you only rebalance, without providing new content, things get stale. Let's keep it real for a moment...Odyssey was eye candy, and the dumbing down of a profession, with rebalance on the side.

The core mechanics of the game remain the same. And the creators of the "content" in this game has ALWAYS been the playerbase. If you feel like the game has gotten stale, you have only yourself to blame.

Transparency means that one guy could take two hours of of his day for clarification of these things, in a damn blog.

Or you could take a couple of hours out of your day to actually look up some of the blog posts already made on the subject, instead of demanding someone listen to you.

I am not expecting a ******* roadmap of exactly what we are getting in the next three years. That is ludicrous, you know damn well it is not what I am expecting.

Then what are you expecting? I think this is just a very sad attempt to get some attention.

I am expecting to know whether the game I started playing years ago, is going to remain true to it's roots, and the social experiment it has become.

Once again, the core mechanics of the game remain the same, and also once again, the main creators of content in this game was and always will be the playerbase that avidly enjoys it. Unless CCP removes the ability for the players to create fun and engaging content, then it will remain the same. There are no hints that they intend to do so, so your concerns are ungrounded, and your logic is flawed.
Tandros Kreel
Genstar Reloaded
Ribbit.
#58 - 2013-09-13 19:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tandros Kreel
Isis Dea wrote:


Obvious troll is obvious.

Been playing the game for nine years now, LOL

Biomass yourself plz. Kthx


How is this trolling? Maybe instead of complaining on the forums about a _very minor_ change to the ToS, you could actually play the game and see that NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Stop grasping at straws.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#59 - 2013-09-13 19:49:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Tron 3K wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:
Tron 3K wrote:
No I'd rather play the game then ***** and complain because I don't know every second of the day when the Dev's take a ****. The rest doesn't make sense to me and not sure why I was quoted.. I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.. or the whine fest some of you do..


Nine years of having fun, mate. After awhile, you get a general scope of where future fun is headed, and it's an amazing feeling when GMs mirror that scope freely within expression. There came a time when we almost lost EVE, back with an expansion called Incarna. Old issues were further ignored, micro transactions of ridiculous scales over monocles just about took over the entire future scope of EVE.

Then the community responded. Much of which started by a single player like the one you are bashing for his multiple posts in reaching out to the crowd of EVE and letting them all know what's going on. Even if the guy isn't citing things correctly or blowing things out of proportion, he's letting a community dedicated to numbers and mindsets (you have to be to get ahead in EVE) know something's up.

We do our homework.

Don't shoot the messenger, even if he's off by a longshot. And don't insult the relationship this community has with its devs; we go back a long way... Blink

Do you even read or comprehend what I type? smh.. I get the whole shutting down transactions but what you can't seem to grasp is they did tell us why the TOS was changed. And they said that "nothing" was changed.. so why the multiple posts when you were told?


Only things did change, else Band of Brothers would still be here, Guiding Social Hand Club's act would have be reimbursed by CCP. Amongst a slew of other things, clearly these haven't been the rules for the alternative is a vast history of CCP not enforcing them and/or playing favorites.

I think the majority of us would rather fight for the opposite.

Okay I haven't been around long but hasn't BoB been gone for quite awhile so the TOS couldn't of hurt them(that is me just saying if something had changed which it didn't, unless you are saying they got hit by the incarna thing but that changed to not exist so maybe they just quit playing cause they got tired of it). The only ones that seem to not grasp it still is goons cause, if something did change and they couldn't scam what would they do with their time?


BOB got reformed into IT alliance (because Goon alt after scam reformed the alliance privately with same name [Band of Brothers]). CCP has never intervened or reimbursed a hostile takeover, BOB were very much left flapping in the wind with Goons parading around with their alliance name. They lost countless assets in the long months of being forced out of their old space. Since then, IT alliance has moved around, been around, and in some lights still are present day.

No help from CCP. There were plenty of articles at the time Goons pulled this off indicating it was entirely within CCP's mechanics to do. CCP pretty much indirectly endorsed it, as much of the anti-BOB crowd was still hating them for the T20 incident.

You want to go tell one of the strongest alliances in the history of EVE that their ENTIRE downfall was actually illegal within the ToS at the time, voiding every statement made by CCP during that time, reigniting buried hate for CCP from a large playerbase of EVE, telling them that their hate is actually completely legit?

Don't worry, the GMs are already doing that for you.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-09-13 19:56:09 UTC
Tron 3K wrote:
I unlike the rest play the game to have fun. if it changes or I see changes that might hurt the game then I can see the outcry.


Agreed, the last thing I think about when I'm logged into this game is what the dev's have done, doing or will do. Unless its something that actually keeps me from enjoying the game.