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Concern over Scam rule changes & CCP affilation with gambling sites.

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#1 - 2013-09-13 13:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
Hello,

I would like my concerns about CCP's ventures into ''social gaming'' and their current rule changes on Tranquility which were designed to stop players skimming and scamming income from these sites addressed. It's bad enough that CCP are introducing gambling to children while implementing zero age restrictions on either EVE or on their affiliated gambling sites; providing links to plex purchase on said sites is morally bankrupt.

In short CCP, stop advertising on gambling sites, stop providing income to owners of said sites by allowing them to sell plex and stop allowing these interests to directly effect our Spaceship computer game by now preventing scams involving ID theft, it's frankly pathetic.

TL;DR

CCP don't be morally bankrupt implement age restrictions on your gambling sites or close them and stop peddling such gaming to children.
Rengerel en Distel
#2 - 2013-09-13 13:59:09 UTC
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-13 13:59:46 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Hello,

I would like my concerns about CCP's ventures into ''social gaming'' and their current rule changes on Tranquility which were designed to stop players skimming and scamming income from these sites. It's bad enough that CCP are introducing gambling to children while implementing zero age restrictions on either EVE or on their affiliated gambling sites; providing links to plex purchase on said sites is morally bankrupt.

In short CCP, stop advertising on gambling sites, stop providing income to owners of said sites by allowing them to sell plex and stop allowing these interests to directly effect our Spaceship computer game by now preventing scams involving ID theft, it's frankly pathetic.

TL;DR

CCP don't be morally bankrupt implement age restrictions on your gambling sites or close them and stop peddling such gaming to children.

You know a link or a screenshot would go a little further even tho I don't understand this bitchfest you are going on about.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#4 - 2013-09-13 14:00:20 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Yup, requires more detail, makes no sense as written
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-09-13 14:00:29 UTC
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#6 - 2013-09-13 14:00:36 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Genuinely unhappy that CCP is raking in income from gambling websites such as blink and others.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-09-13 14:04:26 UTC
**** you are one confused little human being.

Seek help?

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-09-13 14:06:15 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Genuinely unhappy that CCP is raking in income from gambling websites such as blink and others.


And you want to "skim and scam" those sites or those sites users? 
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2013-09-13 14:07:29 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Genuinely unhappy that CCP is raking in income from gambling websites such as blink and others.

Did you miss that Blink only uses internet spaceships money? How people obtain said money is none of their concern.

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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
Hatakani Trade Winds Combine
#10 - 2013-09-13 14:12:29 UTC
Gambled all your ISK away on Sommerblink, eh? Blink

The average age of eve players is pretty high, so i don't see a big issue here. It's too complex for children. And even if some kids lose their isk on a eve related gambling site (and they will sooner or later), perhaps they will learn something. Better here than IRL with their real money.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#11 - 2013-09-13 14:12:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Genuinely unhappy that CCP is raking in income from gambling websites such as blink and others.

Did you miss that Blink only uses internet spaceships money? How people obtain said money is none of their concern.



Blink sells Plex via their website, they get real life cash from CCP for their custom. CCP also provided cash alternatives to blink as prizes. there are also many unaffiliated websites in which you can convert ISK to $ and vice versa. This is against CCP rules and I would also like running gambling sites such as this added to the TOS.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-13 14:14:25 UTC
op was naming characters to try scamming blink

op was not aware such things were already not allowed

op thinks recent rule change affected this

op thinks rules were changed because ccp wants to protect blink because they sell gtcs

op makes tear thread

op tries to link blink to 'selling gambling to children'


is what i'm reading
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#13 - 2013-09-13 14:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
Rovinia wrote:
Gambled all your ISK away on Sommerblink, eh? Blink

The average age of eve players is pretty high, so i don't see a big issue here. It's too complex for children. And even if some kids lose their isk on a eve related gambling site (and they will sooner or later), perhaps they will learn something. Better here than IRL with their real money.


Nope but seen a kid in Starbucks spunk a plex away, he was like 12-13 or looked it anyway. I personally don't gamble and I've bought around 3 plex in the years that I've played EVE. It's a game and I don't want it to be a habit or financial burden.

All I am asking is that CCP show some maturity and morals by preventing under age players from gambling? is this wrong, I must be crazy or something.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#14 - 2013-09-13 14:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Won't somebody please think of the children ?


Let's see what the late Mr. Carlin has to say to that...

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2013-09-13 14:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Not sure posting with an alt because your other account got forum banned will stop this from being locked too ... btw, most of us have no idea what you're ranting about.


Genuinely unhappy that CCP is raking in income from gambling websites such as blink and others.

Did you miss that Blink only uses internet spaceships money? How people obtain said money is none of their concern.



Blink sells Plex via their website, they get real life cash from CCP for their custom. CCP also provided cash alternatives to blink as prizes. there are also many unaffiliated websites in which you can convert ISK to $ and vice versa. This is against CCP rules and I would also like running gambling sites such as this added to the TOS.

I'm not going to quibble about Somer Blink selling GTCs, many Eve related sites do the same. I'm unaware of CCP offering cash alternatives to prizes, if they have done so then that's entirely up to them, and as they are the IP owners it would be totally legal under both their rules and most legal codes to do so.

If you see an unaffiliated website offering to buy or sell ISK for cash then you already have recourse, report them to CCP as Real Money Traders.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2013-09-13 14:22:14 UTC
Who cares? Get over it.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#17 - 2013-09-13 14:30:31 UTC
Wait, I think I feel concern coming out now..

Nope.. just gas. False alarm.

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Arrunca
Quator Finance
#18 - 2013-09-13 14:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrunca
If its a child, he will only have whatever money his parents allows him to have. If parents dont know wtf their child is doing, you can hardly blame CCP. If the parents arent in the picture, you are dealing with an adult. Stop the socialist bull**** and start taking responsibility for your and your childrens actions. People wanting goverments and companies holding their hands all the way through life will always just be a burden for the rest of the world. All while they happily allow other to control them with stupid laws.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#19 - 2013-09-13 14:35:23 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:


All I am asking is that CCP show some maturity and morals by preventing under age players from gambling? is this wrong, I must be crazy or something.


it's not wrong. However, kids do have parents usually. and they are kinda responsible for what their kids do on the internet.
CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2013-09-13 14:48:09 UTC
Reposting locked threads, locking this thread.

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