EVE General Discussion

wait are they seriously outlawing scamming

jesus christ ccp i thought this was another walking in stations the playerbase are being babies debacle, but i understand now why zulu and soundwave are out the door

Solution? Neither example should be petitionable.

This example is why this policy needs to be removed. If the scammed player didn't confirm that Joe was an alt of Abdiel it is his own fault. This rule interferes with the sandbox. Remove it.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/09/i-really-wish-ccp-would-stop-insulting.html http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=34

The name change was slipped in the TOS 3 months ago during a big war Its not been this way forever. What happened to don't petition scams there's nothing we can do to return your stuff, everyone has unique names be so be 100% certain, or never believe someone who says he is an alternate character of someone you know but doesn't offer any proper proof ? I just got to ask when did CCP get so full of **** ?

This is such bullshit. The primary difference between Case 1 and Case 2 is that Phil is actually the same person behind the same keyboard as Abdiel Kavash, while Joe is a completely different person behind a completely different keyboard. By the use of simple logic, one can thus determine that in fact, there is a technical difference between the cases where banning Joe would make ******* sense while banning Phil would also punish Abdiel in addition to being an action that makes no bloody sense.

The fact that, according to GM Karidor, I can get banned for simply stating that a character that is my alt, is my alt is ******* mind-boggling.

GM Karidor, if this ruling is going to go into effect, I expect to see Chribba and his list of alts (Elyza, Yuffie, Ifalna, Ellone, Rikku, Selphie, Nhadala, Refia, Shalua, Arylon, Chribba Kamprad, Chribba Veldspar, Enola Black, Chribba Claus, Selena Gomez, Rachele Smith, Bree Turner, Alexis Dziena, Zoe Saldana, Meagan Good, Amanda Crew, Amber Tamblyn, Tammin Sursok, Shenae Grimes, Kristen Wiig, Jennifer Alden, Nina Dobrev, Kaley Cuoco, Emilee Wallace, Alyson Michalka, Aimee Teegarden, Carla Gallo, Collette Wolfe, Shelley Hennig, Krysten Ritter, Alia Shawkat, Ellie Kemper, Ari Graynor, Maria Pitillo, Sydney Bennett, Alyson Stoner, Noureen DeWulf, Brie Larson, Rosamund Pike, Charlie Spradling, Anna-Sophia Robb, Katie Findlay, Vanessa Lengies, Rose Leslie and Lizzy Caplan.) all banned sometime within the near future*. If this doesn't happen, then clearly CCP is full of ****.

*Nothing personal, Chribba, you just have an unholy amount of alts and they make a fantastic example of just why this change to the TOS and, more specifically, GM Karidor's interpretation of it, is complete and utter idiocy.

This seems absolutely ludicrous. If I go up to a friend and say "xatm@internet.com is my email address" and then sometime later they receive an email from that address that was written by me nobody would say xatm@internet.com is impersonating me, they would say I wrote them an email. Likewise if I tell a guy that Phill McScammer is my alt and then I chat with them on Phill McScammer while presenting myself as my alt having confirmed with my main that it is my alt then there is no impersonation, I'm just talking to a dude.

Thanks for taking the time to reply to the thread Karidor. On the other hand, I wish you hadn't. This is very sad. I've never scammed anyone and have never had the desire to do so before. But being part of a game which allows these things to happen, and having to be on the lookout for them, is what has made this game special over the years.

CASE 1 is a fine example of someone being incredibly guillible and getting the education that they so obviously need. Outlawing this kind of behaviour is like laying out the welcome mat to the hoardes of internet thickos, which this game has done so well to filter out over the years.

CASE 2 is a fine example of a long con. Difficult to detect and avoid, but equally difficult to set up and maintain. There are lessons to be learned by those on the receiveing end. The idea that someone could be warned/banned for truthfully identifying their own alt is one of astonishing lunacy.

These things were not banned under previous policies. If they were, they were worded in an atrocious manner. In fact, they still are. It has taken over 1000 posts in this thread to get this kind of clarity on what is not allowed. And what is not allowed is a massive part of EVE's culture and history.

Anyone has a date on when are we shooting the Jita monument again?

What I want to know is if Justin Bieber (the RL one) decided to discourage the use of his name (or heaven forbid want to play the game using his name) in order to control his image ( a valid and enforced situation in RL) what CCP is going to do about the 38 toons already in play?

Well, when you put it that way ....

This might be a bigger debacle than walking in stations was. Like others have said in this thread, I've never been prone to scamming, mainly because I do not have the patience, but caveat emptor should practically be the slogan of Condescending Dicks Eve Online. The ~meta game~ is what makes Eve what it is - without it, you'd just have a bunch of people shooting rocks and red crosses. It makes you think when you play, rather than just mindlessly follow quests. There are plenty of other games where you can collect 25 hides and get xp.