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The new EOS....

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Hashatis
Sphere Foundation
#1 - 2013-09-12 16:42:31 UTC
Is there anyone else out there that actually flies this ship? Have a Gallent alt that's considering skill up for one but the recent changes seems really lackluster..(although is quiet an improvement from before have to admit that)

For one, I am really having doubts on the efficiency of the heavy drone bonus. Anyone who actually fled one able to give me some feed back on how effective it is in real situation?


and there's the random hybrid tracking bonus. Well, tank, drones and hybrid weapon with only 6 lows is not going to cut it. aren't they better off just give it another drone bonus -____-

Overall the ship looks painful on paper, but anyone that actually flied one can give us some feed back on how it really is?
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-13 02:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Nobody flies one unless they're in command of a large fleet where the bonus would be helpful.

No alliance or fleet would ever take someone with that much invested in the Gallente skillset.

So.. self defeating ship.

I should know. I can fly one.

Of course.. it's been a year, but I'm not expecting a massive paradigm change now that I'm back that suddenly put Gallente ships on as a stock fleet fit.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-13 04:02:45 UTC
Twylla wrote:


No alliance or fleet would ever take someone with that much invested in the Gallente skillset.


You stoned? Megathrons are being flown in large fleet doctrines as one of the top choices now. As well as domis. Gallente are absolutely amazing for solo and small gang work as well. The eos changes have just barely come out. These will be used a lot. Armour and skirmish boost bonus? Yes please. CCP have said they're going to show drones some love as well, it can only get better for gallente and the eos.

Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps!

Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-13 04:57:58 UTC
>.>

Well. It only took seven years for my skillset to gain ANY semblance of efficacy. Now I'm so old I can't pvp with wild abandon anymore. Clones with my kind of SP don't come cheap, and ganks don't pay the bills.

Funny too. I'm five days off from a Damnation now.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Hashatis
Sphere Foundation
#5 - 2013-09-13 08:25:55 UTC
judging from the amount of views and number of replies...Eos is good for nothing other than just sitting there buffing :/?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-13 08:38:41 UTC
Hashatis wrote:
judging from the amount of views and number of replies...Eos is good for nothing other than just sitting there buffing :/?

well, it's a command ship, what did you expect? if you do not need any 'buffs', there is the ishtar, dominix, proteus etc.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-09-13 09:12:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Twylla
Hashatis wrote:
judging from the amount of views and number of replies...Eos is good for nothing other than just sitting there buffing :/?


That's kinda the point for a fleet command ship. Until they added the armor warfare links to its repetoire, the EOS was just a juicy killmail waiting to happen. If you've got a bunch of guys running missions, a good command ship can help a lot. That's a mighty 'if' for many.

Still is, unless nulsec and pvp has finally migrated away from the unholy minmatar fetish (with a dash of drakefleet) that I'd become well acquainted with.

Being an armor warfare mindlink specialist and armor logistic specialist, and gallente ship specialist, I'd become justifiably jaded as a spare tire on a sailboat when it came to fleet engagements. Yeah, a lot of amarr cross training just became gallente training. Whodathunk.


Have things turned around? I've been gone a while, but I sincerely doubt the minmatar battlefleets and fish-schools of drakes have gone out of fashion so quickly. Maybe some of the older Amarrian battleship fleet pilots got a bit of fresh blood pumped in with refurbished lasers, but the hybrid changes certainly didn't offer a paradigm change for caldari gunboats or gallente anything.


That said. Don't get a fleet command ship unless someone asks you to fly one. A ship you don't use isn't useful. Unless there's a wholly desperate fleet commander, you'll get plenty of heads up if anyone cares if you've got the skills to fill a command slot.

The only other place an Eos would shine would be in a coordinated mission running squadron.. but most would just prefer something with a little more 'pew pew' and a little less 'bounty whore'.

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-09-13 09:28:13 UTC
Twylla wrote:



Have things turned around? I've been gone a while, but I sincerely doubt the minmatar battlefleets and fish-schools of drakes have gone out of fashion so quickly. Maybe some of the older Amarrian battleship fleet pilots got a bit of fresh blood pumped in with refurbished lasers, but the hybrid changes certainly didn't offer a paradigm change for caldari gunboats or gallente anything.


It's all about the Gallente (Mega, Domi) and Caldari ships (Naga, Rokh, and Ravens are the coming thing) for fleet warfare these days. Only Russians still fly Abaddons.

Drakes have been out of fashion since they got the double kick of the HML nerf and TiDi taking away theirir relative advantage in lag situations. No alliance uses Drakes for serious ops any more and they haven't for about a year.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-09-13 09:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Hashatis wrote:
Still is, unless nulsec and pvp has finally migrated away from the unholy minmatar fetish (with a dash of drakefleet) that I'd become well acquainted with.

drakefleet is dead since the heavy missile nerf a year ago. popular modern doctrines include but are not limited to megathrons, dominixes, vexors, taloses. the medium rail buff may or may not produce a brutix (navy) doctrine in the future.

in smaller scale combat, vexors, brutixes, tristans and enyos are among the top contenders.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-09-13 09:39:45 UTC
Twylla wrote:
[quote=Hashatis]

Have things turned around? I've been gone a while, but I sincerely doubt the minmatar battlefleets and fish-schools of drakes have gone out of fashion so quickly. Maybe some of the older Amarrian battleship fleet pilots got a bit of fresh blood pumped in with refurbished lasers, but the hybrid changes certainly didn't offer a paradigm change for caldari gunboats or gallente anything.


Yep, they have. There is no single race dominating PVP at the moment in any part of space. Gallente has been in a very good spot for small and medium gang for a while already, and latest rebalancing certainly hasn't changed that. Quite the opposite.

On topic: My Eos is waiting for the hull change! Once it gets the T2 Myrm it'll fly gloriously.

More seriously though, unless you run 3 links, it does appear ever so slightly lackluster on paper. Lowish dps, very slow, tank is decent and presumably damage application is ok.

I think it should have received the Ish/Domi sentry bonus, as it is it's a brawler and competes with the Astarte. Still, looking forward to an opportunity to field it :)



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Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-09-13 10:16:50 UTC
Somewhat reassuring, at least. Been gone for a year, kinda surprised what I walked in to. I quit and then the world suddenly turns all sensible-like. It's as if Hell was just God's oven and now there are fudge brownies everywhere and diabetes was a lie.

Either way, yeah, Eos (a myrm eos? huzzah). don't do it unless you have people who are cool with you flying it as your 'thing'. I do believe that the command bonuses don't work if you're solo. Better off with an Astartes or a T1 battlecruiser (tough on pirates, gentle on isk)

~Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, nulsec fleet pilot, armored warfare command/mindlink specialist, thanatos pilot, alliance executor, now retired~

I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-09-13 10:18:24 UTC
confirming that diabetes is not real.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-09-13 10:33:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Only Russians still fly Abaddons.

Talk about indiscriminately dispensing resistance nerfs.
Although it seems that this trend started earlier...

More on topic, what are you going to use the ship for?

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2013-09-13 11:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Hashatis wrote:
Is there anyone else out there that actually flies this ship? Have a Gallent alt that's considering skill up for one but the recent changes seems really lackluster..(although is quiet an improvement from before have to admit that)

I use it, I love it. Though application is NOS'ing local tanked ongrid-links or an Ishtar with links (plated one). Might be a bit narrow but there is just no armored alternative for the job.

Hashatis wrote:

For one, I am really having doubts on the efficiency of the heavy drone bonus. Anyone who actually fled one able to give me some feed back on how effective it is in real situation?

If you feel like a jerk you can launch navy ogres with endless amounts of EHP, else regular heavies (in the situations you will field one, you might want to take 5 ogres and berserkers each right away) track cruisers very fine. With a web on them, you're applying near ideal damage to ideal damage. If the target is moving faster than ~300m/s (i.E. AB-cruiser etc.), it#s getting harsh, same to extremly low sigs (was fine down to 80ish though), else you pretty much hit for full damage. Which is some 450-700 depending on fit and drones.

Hashatis wrote:

and there's the random hybrid tracking bonus. Well, tank, drones and hybrid weapon with only 6 lows is not going to cut it. aren't they better off just give it another drone bonus -____-

I hear it's great to kill frigs. But Eos is pretty mighty as is right now. Having the damage mostly independent from your highs is letting you build quite a utility-platform aswell.
Asuka Smith
StarHunt
#15 - 2013-09-14 22:38:42 UTC
With the new changes to NOS you could go solo/small gang with a triple MAR setup with NOS in the highs, using ogres for damage.

I intend to try it anyways, I have command ship 5 so it should be pretty effective if only for that reason.
Liam Todd Bloodstar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-09-15 13:07:29 UTC
Im not sure I seen an Eos since the Drone Bandwidth Nerf many years ago.

Would be nice to see them again.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-15 13:13:32 UTC
Twylla wrote:
>.>

Well. It only took seven years for my skillset to gain ANY semblance of efficacy. Now I'm so old I can't pvp with wild abandon anymore. Clones with my kind of SP don't come cheap, and ganks don't pay the bills.

Funny too. I'm five days off from a Damnation now.


Welp we can still have fun with some ships in fleets, thats always better than before where you'd be laughed at because you were in a gallente ship other than oneiros/lachesis/ares/proteus

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Prilo Czato
Brute Force Algorithm
#18 - 2013-09-20 12:07:07 UTC
Been trying out the Eos to boost a small gang for low sec anomalies/plexes, and I like what I see. Bear in mind though, I fight Sansha, and the tracking disruptors nerf the guns so bad I just use them for aggro and rely on drones for dps. Takes longer, but I'm in no rush when I play, I never look at the clock wondering if I 'should' up my dps to save a few seconds/minutes on a fight, but I guess that is symptom of advanced age and stuffed wallet... ;)

Small gang fit vs. Sansha/Blood

High:
Fleet mod, armor rep time (TII if possible)
Fleet mod, passive resist (TII if possible)
2x 250mm Rail TII
2 Med Remote Armor Rep

Mid
10MN MWD (or AB if grid is short)
2x Med Electrochem cap booster w/800's
Omnidirectional Tracking link

Low
2x EM hardener
2x Thermic hardener
2x MAR II

5x Curator II

1x CCC
1x Aux nano


This is not the exact fit, I vary some bits, and depending on the ships you fly with, tank can be dropped some to allow for spider tanking to add dps with drone mods. But this is first and foremost for groups of drone boats where the Eos takes aggro and the other ships apply dps with sentries. Coupled with a Navy Vexor or three all sporting 5 curators the rats melt pretty fast.

This is in no way perfect, some will say its overtanked and under-dps not applying the full potential of the ships and so on, but I don't mind; it fits my way of playing, and even with just me and my alt in a navy vexor it still rivals the income from high sec missions, plus the thrill of low sec and occasional PvP is a welcome distraction.