EVE General Discussion

The GMs don't change/update major documents without the producer being aware of it. Or the producer having directed that change in the first place.

Not just impersonation, but misrepresentation. It's far far broader than impersonation alone.

I don't appreciate the amount of space these clarifications have left open for interpretation

Which behaviors are you trying to stop with this ToS change, CCP? With the information we have available, we can only assume your new policies exist to forbid all forms of contract scamming that misconstrue one item for another, and any claim, true or false, that you are an alternate account of another player.

The most disappointing part is that I thought we had got beyond the now formulaic beating over the head necessary to get major issues addressed. It's almost funny how dispassionate this "riot" is, as we all merely go through the now nauseatingly familiar motions until heads are removed from buttes... but instead it's just sad.

In a game built on mistrust and distrust and all those negative forms of not trusting... I too would find it hard to swallow that an obscure answer to a TOS claim falls into the "trust" category...

In a weird I hope tl;dr version...

Don't trust anyone.

The game you once knew was ripe with scams.

Now it's illegal to pretend you are someone you aren't.

Scams are still legal (wtf).

GMs will not clarify their position, although the policy has not changed (wait what?).

GMs judge on a case by case basis.

The GMs request you trust them to make that call.

Again, I never got any answer concerning those links that are "api verified" that isk doublers link you (I know they are scams, I mean, are they bannable?) and are we to believe the only scams that would be legal, are margin trade scams?

Everything else is done by false representation!


EDIT- and for the love of all things explosive, please add "bannable" to the spellcheck list!

I'm not sure if it's useful to answer there. I haven't been playing (a lot) for long, but that character is still a few years old and I've been playing on and off. That game, EvE Online, is very special and very different from the others.

But why has he been alive from so long, and why is he so famous? Yes, famous compared to infamous, because when major media refer to WoW or other MMORPG, that's usually in bad terms, to express addiction or make any (stupid) cliché about how gaming makes you a bad person. It's not the case with EvE. EvE is seen with some kind of admiration because it' really is something else. Hell, it's even one of the few games in the MoMA, in New York. There have been news about the big fight in Fountain recently, and about the Jita thingy one or two years back.

And why is that? Because it's really a different game and scams, impersonations, spying and all that stuff is part of what makes the game special. I mean, why would you shoot yourself in the feet by simply endangering the very attraction you have over any other game. It's not the exciting gameplay that keeps us playing EvE, it's the fact that we're really playing with and against other players, and not just by pew-pewing at them.


The whole matter is strange, to be honest. Why be afraid of someone claiming is something is not? Lying is part of the game. And the whole "claiming to be someone else" is stupid beyond anything. I'm a guy, behind my computer. I'm not Danelaan, nor any of my other characters. They are exactly that: characters that I impersonate. It's okay to impersonate a character but it's not okay then to impersonate a character? Can a character lie? I don't think so. The player lies. And the player can lie nonetheless. The example taken before in this thread was someone verifying if the alt was really the alt of the character he claimed to be an alt of. But so what? Even if I'm the alt of [X] who wardec'd [Y Corporation], I can take the money and still keep the wardec alive. Is that also bannable? I say it's part of the game.

The true problem is:

Yes it's true, scamming is maybe too easy. In the real world, when you fraud and cheat and scam, there are repercussions. The problem is, right there, you're offering out-of-the-game repercussions for a problem that happens in the game.
Do you want to have a "police" against scammers? Then make it in-game for ****'s sake. Give rights to volunteers to become the representative of Concord when it comes to the fight against scam. Make them electable (oh, I already see scammers voting for someone who will let them do their stuff; but isn't that part of it too? Corruption?) and have them build cases. Make sure, with the means that they have, that this is indeed a scam that was given to them. In which case they would be banned from Empire Space on the whole account or I don't know, have to pay a tremendous fee, whatever.



I'm pulling that out of nowhere. I haven't even thought about that more than five seconds so there are probably blatant flaws or better ways to do it. But the idea is that: the game is praised for being a world in itself. Forget that change that goes clearly against that: make things that happen in game stay in game and give a way to punish scammers in-game. Stuff, drama in game, life within the game, spying, infiltration of corps, treasons, that's what make that game great. Don't waste that, please. Not when I'm at last taking the time to play it more actively.

Hell, just the idea of CCP GMs asking us to trust them is patently ridiculous. Their track record would make CIA blush.

Okay, so what's the deal now ?


(omg this is great, i have to run the tutorial missions so i can bash CCP ^_^)

I hearby misrepresent you,
*without* your permission !

HA ! IN YOUR FACE !

Don't worry, if the GMs lie to us its against TOS,