Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Neuts had a negative effect on an NPC's ability to tank damage, NOS did not have this effect. Instead they provided cap to you for a limited amount of time.

Wow, final nail in the coffin for heavy NOS's, bang up job on that quality control before patches go out. Can we just save 6 years and change the mechanic now, or can CCP explain what they see as the niche (however small) of heavy NOS's is now that PvE is out the window?

You can say it is to balance heavy neuts being more effective than small but it isn't like small neuts are completely worthless (when compared to their alternatives) like heavy NOS's are. They drain frigates just fine and always work on any platform no matter what you're fighting, completely different than a heavy NOS.

That's what you get for being so abstract!

Simple way of visualizing it:
Two cylindrical containers one with twice the height (or diameter) of the other are connected with a narrow pipe at their bottoms (these are the capacitors).
When both are full of water the pressure differential will make the water flow into the smaller container (frigate NOS'ing anything bigger).
When the water volume is equal in the two containers the water does not move at all as there is no pressure difference to move it.
With one container empty the water will flow in that direction but at a rate dictated by the width of the pipe (NOS max transfer rate) or the pipe will burst.

In the latter case (ie. what Gypsio tried saying), where one is completely empty, it does not matter one iota whether one uses volume or percentages .. it does however come into play earlier when there is something in both containers as 51% volume of the large container is equal to more than 100% volume of the smaller (twice the height or diameter).

My biggest grievance is that they don't allow for over-pressure. Would be sweet if a higher volume difference allowed for higher drain, but guess the hamsters would demand more nuts.

Unpinning - 1.1 has been released.

Part of the problem seems to be that the NOS simply won't do anything at all in a PvE scenario. This is regardless of what capacitor the user is at. I'm not looking for infinite, but if I'm at 20/6700 capacitor I would expect the module is meant to have some sort of effect so long as you're using it on an NPC with 21 capacitor or more?

Obviously, this module has seen a lot more use in missions than incursions, would a mission NPC battleship have vastly different stats? Anomalies? What leads to this wildly unpredictable behavior where it can indeed do nothing at all?

Has this been tested, confirmed to be the desired functionality of the module in a PVE-scenario and labeled working as intended, or is the module not functioning as described in PVE being considered a bug?

I'd wager not

Since it takes 5 NOS's to equal one neut most of the time...I'd as soon use the Nuets and have y'know weapons

Where are you Ranger 1 ? You did post like 100 times how this will help nos and how often people will use it. What happend ?

I said this change is garbage and i can even go further often people use less nos than before.

Not only that, he was defending this NOS rebalance so hard that he denied all "nay sayers" ... he just created wall of text every single time someone said "no this won't help NOS" - he was one man wall. Wall that succeded in basically destroying NOS.

Because what are chances NOS will get another rebalance pass , when we got one recently ?

Yes my dear friends - NOS is in WORSE state than it was before. I could see some niche spot for previous NOS. Not anymore.

I use NOS in skirmish pvp. I use a HAC to point unwary targets and keep a small NOS in a high slot in order to ensure I can hang on to them until everyone else arrives. I do the same in an astero too (which is a surprisingly good and strong covert tackler)

I've also tried a stratios with 4 small nos in the high slots - it's excellent for tackling neut ships. An ishtar would be as good.

The reason I use small nos has nothing to do with cap amount in my target and everything to do with cycle time.

It basically means that a ship with heavy neuts can't wrong-foot me with well timed neut cycles, and escape my scrams.

Having said that, I would use a heavy nos in a hyperion when engaging battleships or cruisers in order to augment the cap booster, freeing one mid slot for some ewar.

That's fair though isn't it? Sucking energy from some remote capacitor in a directed way is a very much more difficult technical proposition to lobbing lead in his direction.