Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are no goons.

All part of the sandbox and these things tend to balance themselves on their own.

PS: LOL

Join goons then, if you pay them 500mill they will even get your stuff to 0.0

Find creative ways to deal with emergent gameplay?

Nawww, CCP should just magically get rid of all the Goons, these people pay good money to click on asteroids all day!

Aye, someone already did that. His name was Kartoon. Look him up.

And unfortunately, just like the empire and emperor, Goonswarm refuses too die.

If your having issues with Gallente ice fields, there are always plenty more ice roids in other empire areas.

Um... were you afraid that they would suicide gank your Orca?????

i am not particulary fond if goons myself they ganked a corp member not to long ago.
But i keep mining. Its relaxing and i can other stuff while doing so..
I mined enough to buy me 100 hulks so loosing one dosnt realy hurt anymore.
but i wont let goons tel me not to mine ice or anything else for that matter.

you could actualy see this threating ice miners for another reason. Goons probably have any enemy they are trying to get rid of,
and that enemy could use gallente towers. so by hindering the gallente ice mining you could probably hinder fueling the gallente
towers and starve them to death.. (just a hypothesis)

goons are anoying lotst of miners everywhere lately.

Yeah, it's like trying to join the Mafia's inner circle when you're not Italian... Your point being? Their corp, their rules.

To those throwing out the "sandbox" suggestions.

Eve is a "LIMITED" sandbox.

meaning it's controlled by players to a certain extent, but not fully.

Therefore it is not a true sandbox. There is still a vast amount of the game that is not built on a sandbox scenario.

Okay, I'll give you that, there are some things we aren't fully in control of yet. The sandbox can be improved a bit.

That said, the purpose for limiting the sand box is because if you allow the children to rough house and control everything, then at some point in time the box will get broken and the sand will spill out.

In other words, certain actions committed by the players have to be addressed because it can ruin the game.[/quote]

Except now you want to limit the sandbox, after decrying it for being limited in sandboxing. Also, your example (whenever anyone uses it, for that matter) implies the Goons are using out-of-game methods to beat up the other kids... It's more like they're building a castle around your corner of the sandbox, and you can follow their rules (with regards to the game) while inside it, stay outside it, or mount an 'attack' on it. I see PVP alliances, in the sandbox analogy, as the players bringing in army men and combining that with sandcastle building to make a fun combination game. You're free to just build sandcastles (PVE/Industry/High-sec) or just sit outside the sandbox and play with army men (PVP) or dig in the corner of the sandbox for those building pieces you are sure are hidden there (WH/Exploration), or you're free to combine them (build a sandcastle over the area you're searching for pieces = players making POSes to help them secure WHs).

High sec is high sec for a reason.

Because they're preventing pirates from doing lone actions.

It is territory claimed by the 4 major factions, but yet, they seem to give less of a crap that a corporation has taken control over their systems.

Then concord sits back and says "as long as they're not doing something illegal, then it's not our problem."

Concord is right, the faction is wrong.

They're protecting the planets from the Goons. I mean, you're sounding like "hurr de durr why don't teh concord kill da Sanshas during Incursions"? It's not their job. The only people being 'harmed' by the Goon capsuleers' (players) actions is other capsuleers (players). The Goons suicide gank miners, there's no breach of law there or lack of Concord response -- they are doing all they will with regards to capsuleer affairs (killing the Goons that attacked), and then leaving it alone.



So suicide gankers kill people with impunity? People with low sec status don't get deemed criminals of the Empire and get shot at? Man, I've been dreaming up some crazy ****.

So, ya'll want a sandbox?
Well, lets make npc corps/factions respond to the aspects of the sand box.

Now, since the NPCs would officially be part of the sandbox, the gallente would declare war on the Goons/whoever else is involved and make them free kill targets for anyone in high sec.

They would also inform concord and it would become their problem, and all involved parties would be given a kill on site marker.

Capsuleer affairs, again, are nothing of Concord's concern, so long as they aren't breaking any rules. The Goons aren't enslaving Gallente people, they aren't attacking Gallente sovereignty, they're just watching the ice belts. The ice belts, mind you, that serve the purpose of fueling capsuleer POSes. It's not like they're mining out all the trit and preventing ship manufacturing, they're only restricting the harvesting of Gallente ice. It's not like you're ever going to be out in low or nullsec, with a POS operated with fuel, anyway, so... why do you care so much?

How's that sandbox working out now?

Little too sandboxy for ya?

Ahh, you want a sandbox game, but you don't want the sandbox to actually respond?

If the sand started attacking me, then it's not a sandbox so much as a nightmare from hell. You're trying to impose limits on the sandbox because you don't like that they refuse to join you in only playing a certain way. YOU are the one being restrictive, because you're basically saying the guys who want to play army aren't allowed to play, and if they do you'll tell mommy on them and get them kicked out so you can go back to piling sand on itself. There are other ways to play, and artificially limiting the sandbox makes the game worse, not better -- unless your scale of 'worse' is different from mine, in which case you're free to go back to WoW or other MMOs where the players are highly restricted in the way they play.

pathetic.

Yeah, you kind of were.

This isn't how you make points.

Learn to paragraph

I'm an alt (not of any PVP alliances, surprisingly), and this is my favorite post on F&I

Omfg . Put some tanks on your ships and launch agresive drones to get on killmails. Buy a a scimitar and put capstable reps on your hulks while your hanging out the window and flickin your midle finger at the meta/kb "wh ores"