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Proposition to increase hi-sec wars via PI

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Holsterinak
A World Ruled By Engineers
#1 - 2013-09-06 20:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Holsterinak
Edit: based on CCP announcement of highsec pocos. Comment on your thoughts of how/should CCP should implement.

The idea
Allow population capped corporations to own POCOs in highsec

Purpose
Encourage highsec PVP away from station games and introduce players into structure bashing before taking on lowsec/nullsec/wormhole. Enable a good platform for small gang warfare. Expect marauders with recent patch changes will be utilized more.

Limitations
• Population of corporation able to install/maintain a poco is limited.
• Allocate planets to various corporation sizes to enable competition and promote PVP.
Corp Population Range
• 0-10 members – Planet will little PI value, no factory planets for P4 material
• 11-30 members – Planet with medium value, no factory planets for P4 material
• 31-50 members – Planets with high value including factory planets to produce P4 material
• 50+ members – Get out of highsec
Other Mechanics
• To aggress a POCO, Wardec must be initiated as a poco wardec, standard 24 hour time period applies
• POCO wardec only allows two corporations to be at a POCO war over with one another
• POCO wardec will not enable immunity from a standard wardec
• POCO wardec allows aggression of owning corporation members, POS(s), and the owning POCO(s)
• POCO Taxes can be set by owning corporation but cannot selectively tax based on standing and will be limited changing tax rate to only every two weeks (may consider a corporation tax setting and a everyone else tax rate)
• Players will have ability to see POCO taxes in their region/constellation/system based on an interactive interface
• All players will have access to PI in POCOs

PI Cons
Will probably bring a lot of the factory planets utilized for P3 & P4 production in low sec to high sec. May need to consider a minimum tax rate (including owning corporation)


Thoughts?
Cap James Tkirk
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-09-06 20:37:44 UTC
PI in HS is near worthless so i vote this is a good IDEA so some assets can be killed

kidding go to low/null/wh and setup pocos
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#3 - 2013-09-07 01:09:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
I think you need to add POCO war dec mechanic to stop a 1 man alt corp from taking up that slot full time if this was to happen. Maybe same corp can do again for 2 weeks or something.

You would also want a min-max tax range so it doesn't screw up other PI current values. 10%-50% or something in that ball park. Having 0% and 100% value options could really screw stuff up.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#4 - 2013-09-07 12:52:13 UTC
No thanks, it will allow high sec corps run high sec offices with 0% tax for themselves.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2013-09-07 13:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
No P4 on Factory planets just because it's in High Sec ? And dependent on number of Corp members ? When they can just use an unbashed POCO planet to do this anyway ? Over 50 members leads to "get out of high sec "?

OP needs to go play a game he finds more enjoyable or something.

And I've done all my PI in Low Sec since day 1 over 3 years ago, so don't start in on me as wanting things to 'be easy'.

But this is just a bunch of knucklheaded knucleheaded-ness.


edit: Also, there is no planet in High Sec that is worth the trouble of War Dec and POCO bashing for PI volume purposes.

Easier to just jump to Low Sec and do it all there, as one already can, for twice as much product right off the bat.

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Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#6 - 2013-09-07 14:30:43 UTC
I think highsec warfare has other problems then PI. Its way too easy to be ducebag and go after people that cant really defend themselves. There is way too many stations out there to play docking games. And last but not least. When you man up and take fight to those ducebags they usually run like scared little girls.

Honesty i dont think there's anything CCP could do to make highsec warfare better. Except maybe implement some sort of ladder system where your corporation is valuated for kills, loses, assets, etc... to give it relative number. And you could only go war against similar level or higher level corps. Sort of being protected from big boys, but allow same time you to clime-up in ladder to be one of the big boys.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-09-09 00:24:31 UTC
Dasola wrote:
I
Honesty i dont think there's anything CCP could do to make highsec warfare better. Except maybe implement some sort of ladder system where your corporation is valuated for kills, loses, assets, etc... to give it relative number. And you could only go war against similar level or higher level corps. Sort of being protected from big boys, but allow same time you to clime-up in ladder to be one of the big boys.


Not a horrible idea, but you'd need to include the skillpoints and API-verified kills of each corp member to make that work accurately.

Which in turn creates the situation (which some people might describe as more of a "problem") of people just buying PVP characters to "pad" their corp's ability to "climb the ladder" as you say.

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Night Sword
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-09-09 02:51:30 UTC
God awful horrible idea. If you dont like the sandbox then go back to WoW. Limiting war decs to an ELO system or MMR type thing is possible the worst thing ive heard. Wars are started and fought for more then just the reason for a fight. They are started because someone ran their mouth or messed with that wrong guy. You remove that capibility and you forever ruin the sandbox nature of eve online
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-09-09 10:20:51 UTC
Night Sword wrote:
God awful horrible idea. If you dont like the sandbox then go back to WoW. Limiting war decs to an ELO system or MMR type thing is possible the worst thing ive heard. Wars are started and fought for more then just the reason for a fight. They are started because someone ran their mouth or messed with that wrong guy. You remove that capibility and you forever ruin the sandbox nature of eve online


Lol maybe 1% of the wars are because someone couldn't shut up. The rest is done by highsec-toughguys on unsuspecting prey such as industry or mission running corps.
Holsterinak
A World Ruled By Engineers
#10 - 2013-09-09 17:33:59 UTC
Night Sword wrote:
God awful horrible idea. If you dont like the sandbox then go back to WoW. Limiting war decs to an ELO system or MMR type thing is possible the worst thing ive heard. Wars are started and fought for more then just the reason for a fight. They are started because someone ran their mouth or messed with that wrong guy. You remove that capibility and you forever ruin the sandbox nature of eve online


If you read all the limitations you would of read the standard war Dec can still apply as there is no immunity from a poco wardec. Obviously this would create inherent issues with the intent of the POCO dev mechanic, but as you stated its a sandbox.

Bottom line, in order to take down a highsec POCO you'd have to utilize the separate mechanic.
Holsterinak
A World Ruled By Engineers
#11 - 2013-09-09 18:23:41 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
I think you need to add POCO war dec mechanic to stop a 1 man alt corp from taking up that slot full time if this was to happen. Maybe same corp can do again for 2 weeks or something.

You would also want a min-max tax range so it doesn't screw up other PI current values. 10%-50% or something in that ball park. Having 0% and 100% value options could really screw stuff up.


Very good points.

To add on to the first point, I think shortening the Dec time to 3 or 4 days and adding an option to outbid another person's Dec would prevent some of the Dec shielding.

to the second point, for highsec you'd probably want to maintain the max 10% tax rate and maybe consider a minimum of 3 to 4% tax rate.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-09-09 19:35:44 UTC
CCP Soundwave was in favour of this kind of thing for hi sec POCOs If I remember rightly.

Shame he is leaving.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2013-09-09 22:02:14 UTC
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Holsterinak
A World Ruled By Engineers
#14 - 2013-10-01 04:01:34 UTC
Apparently highsec pocos were in the works based on CCP announcement.