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youtube partner monetization of EVE Online videos

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Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#1 - 2013-09-01 20:38:55 UTC
Hello everyone,

tldr: does CCP allow youtube partners to monetize EVE Online videos and if so can we get a link or forum post we can link to youtube when they ask for a link to the permission?

For those that want to know more about this, what's the problem? Small youtubers or youtubers that choose not to join a network go through a vetting process for the monetization of videos. Youtube will often ask for a link to the permission from the developer allowing it.

Well why don't you join a network then? As far as i understand it networks don't have deals with the developers but only have a deal with youtube that circumvents the vetting process. This means that when a company decides to enforce it's copyright you can get strikes and banned allthough you are with a network. SEGA did this for their music and even large youtubers like Totalbiscuit received strikes and had lots of problems.

I want to make clear i understand CCP or any dev is in no way obligated to allow this and i would fully respect that decision. I'm just a small youtuber who loves making EVE videos among others and only monetize videos about games for which i have the permission bookmarked or on mail. Having followed the discussion around this with final fantasy XIV where Square Enix ended up allowing it after realising this is something that's mutually beneficial i'm hoping to get a link for EVE aswell for myself and anyone else that wants to make EVE vids.

I have just a small channel (youtube.com/delonewolf) but i think it would be very cool if i could pay for my sub by making videos.

If you're wondering if any other companies allow this, here are a few examples: valve, chivalry, mount and blade special permission
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#2 - 2013-09-01 21:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Pretty sure Scott Manley or Jonny Pew could answer you on this (not that I want to deluge them with similar questions), they're just my first thoughts of people with longstanding YT content of Eve & almost certainly Partnership. There's also tens of active series, hundreds of personal vlog/BRs, and thousands of clips that CCP seem to be fine with as usual YT content. Your biggest issue will be the music you use afaik.

I think your community contact person would be CCP Dolan.
Cage Man
Comms Black
The Commonwealth.
#3 - 2013-09-02 00:27:01 UTC
Garmon and abadon21, could have it slightly wrong, started doing this, not sure if they still are though, but may be worth asking them.
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#4 - 2013-09-02 15:10:04 UTC
thanks for the replies, what i would prefer is a public link so everyone knows where they stand but i'll try contacting ccp directly aswell.
zaqq
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-09-07 13:56:49 UTC
I have monetized alot of my eve videos in the past with no issues. I am not currently with any networks.

My EvE Online  PEW PEW  My YouTube Videos

Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#6 - 2013-09-07 14:04:01 UTC
Best bet is to be signed with a network that has all the permissions.

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

Youtube: /asayanami

Twitter: @asayanami

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Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#7 - 2013-09-08 12:40:55 UTC
zaqq wrote:
I have monetized alot of my eve videos in the past with no issues. I am not currently with any networks.


Sometimes youtube doesn't do the check and then you can monetize a video till they start putting them back under review, i'd rather not take the chance without explicit permission from the developer.
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#8 - 2013-09-08 12:47:29 UTC
Asayanami Dei wrote:
Best bet is to be signed with a network that has all the permissions.


Networks don't have special permissions with the developers, people did videos about sega games while under networks, they still got strikes and shut down in some cases when sega decided to enforce the copyright on the music.

I can only hope CCP is willing to provide a public policy so everyone is clear on where they stand, it would be unfortunate if people would get strikes for making a video with the 'below the asteroids' music in the background.
CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
#9 - 2013-09-09 11:29:16 UTC
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile

Just a random dude in Team Security.

Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#10 - 2013-09-09 13:52:41 UTC
yey, go legal team, make us happy!

I'm a leaf on the wind, watch how I--THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY

Youtube: /asayanami

Twitter: @asayanami

wormholefundamentals.com

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#11 - 2013-09-09 15:41:16 UTC
Well, if this is something that is possible, maybe I need to start getting my Solo/Small gang shoes back on then.

Got plenty of great ideas that would be nice in videos, just had no incentive to make em xD
Meizu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#12 - 2013-09-09 15:54:59 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


thank you! it's good to know this might get looked at.

This is indeed a new development in gaming but not one that will go away i feel, streaming and youtube about games have all but replaced TV for me. I also understand that for some games (single player story driven games like the batman games or mass effect) a developer might choose not to allow this, for an MMO though i feel it can only be beneficial to the game, the players and the video makers. That said i also believe most gamers would respect the decision either way but what we really want is a clear message on the matter.

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-10 19:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


If EvE video makers get paid = more videos.


More good EvE videos on youtube = more people trying EvE.


I don't see why they would say no. But lawyers aren't always the brightest bunch. Blink
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-09-13 20:16:46 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


If EvE video makers get paid = more videos.


More good EvE videos on youtube = more people trying EvE.


I don't see why they would say no. But lawyers aren't always the brightest bunch. Blink


Fear of the whole matter getting past their ability to control it.
Once "yes" is said, it's really hard to take it back.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"

DaOpa
Static Corp
#15 - 2013-09-15 16:46:15 UTC
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile



Can you also include DUST 514 Videos / Content in whatever decision that is made ..
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-09-15 19:24:30 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
CCP Stillman wrote:
I can't give you a clear answer right now, as I don't think this has come up before per say. But I'll raise this to our legal team for them to review and see if this isn't something they can take care of. We love EVE videos, after all Big smile


If EvE video makers get paid = more videos.


More good EvE videos on youtube = more people trying EvE.


I don't see why they would say no. But lawyers aren't always the brightest bunch. Blink


Fear of the whole matter getting past their ability to control it.
Once "yes" is said, it's really hard to take it back.


All you have to do is say you don't want people doing it anymore.

Nothing hard about that..
Cage Man
Comms Black
The Commonwealth.
#17 - 2013-09-15 19:44:09 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:


If EvE video makers get paid = more videos.


More good EvE videos on youtube = more people trying EvE.


Blink


Depends who is doing the paying. I know I am not going to pay to watch them, and there are many others who feel the same. I get its your time and effort so you should get something, but there is tons of free good stuff out there.
I suspect Garmin lost quite a few followers when he went with abadon and the whole EVE is real pay to watch stuff.. but that's just my opinion.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#18 - 2013-09-16 00:56:58 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:


If EvE video makers get paid = more videos.


More good EvE videos on youtube = more people trying EvE.


Blink


Depends who is doing the paying. I know I am not going to pay to watch them, and there are many others who feel the same. I get its your time and effort so you should get something, but there is tons of free good stuff out there.
I suspect Garmin lost quite a few followers when he went with abadon and the whole EVE is real pay to watch stuff.. but that's just my opinion.



Giving the subject is about YouTube, I am assuming the ads will be paying.

Just to let everyone know how much YouTube video makers really make. Without a 3rd party membership the video maker gets $100 USD for 100,000 views. Less if they are with a 3rd party (like myself).
The reason why so many people are with 3rd party is for protection and maybe free stuff (music, promoting your stuff, etc).
Google is famous for screwing people who aren't making $50k. Basically they look at a good month as. Oh you made a lot this month, you must have been click bombing your videos.

Anyways, I'm finding the lifetime limit to most gaming videos views with luck are arounds 100-300k ($100-$300). Obviously this doesn't come at once, and in some cases there is some videos that get a lot more than that. The only videos that you really see people get over $1k per video is famous people and videos of people doing something really really really stupid.
Most people who make gaming videos are doing it because they are already playing the game, and/or they are offsetting the cost of gas, food, the game, or something.

Basically what I'm getting at is don't jump in and think you can make a living off of this, unless if you are in a 3rd world country. At which point you should think that.


Anyways, I think the legal team should say something like if you are making money only with advertisements then it's OK. However, CCP should get a cut if you are charging people to watch your video (giving people would actually do that).

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-09-16 01:40:18 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:


All you have to do is say you don't want people doing it anymore.

Nothing hard about that..


In anything that requires the word from the "Legal Team" it's never that simple or easy.

"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"

Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-16 19:15:01 UTC
Zheketri wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:


All you have to do is say you don't want people doing it anymore.

Nothing hard about that..


In anything that requires the word from the "Legal Team" it's never that simple or easy.


They make it hard for themselves. That isn't our problem though.


All they really have to do is tell youtube that it isn't ok to monetize eve online content.
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