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Character name changes, Sometimes OK sometimes not?

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Baggo Hammers
#21 - 2013-09-08 18:16:59 UTC
Thinking things through. It's the new black!

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.

Sarmatiko
#22 - 2013-09-08 18:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Tippia wrote:
Because the services are bad.

"Bad" because some monoclegeddon-traumatized bittervet said so?
Character ID, killboard record, contact record, bounties etc etc - they all remain the same. Name change log is visible and available to anyone, so you can never erase your character past. Any more reasons to whine left?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-09-08 18:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Aiwha wrote:
Sell your character and buy one with a non-******** name. Its quite simple actually.

Um, not really.
There's virtually no chance that character will have the same skills my old one did at the same levels.
There's virtually no chance that character will have all the same implant sets as my old one did at the same levels.
Most importantly, you have no real control over the name of this bought character.

Malcanis summed up the arguments for and against quite nicely.
The main argument against the change, being reputation, is easily negated by a handful of small, easy changes to game mechanics. Specifically, indicating in the character's info window any previous names the character has had, and an icon next to their name in local chat/overview/etc. indicating that this character has had a name change.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-09-08 18:36:20 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because the services are bad.

"Bad" because some monoclegeddon-traumatized bittervet said so?
Character ID, killboard record, contact record, bounties etc etc - they all remain the same. Name change log is visible and available to anyone, so you can never erase your character past. Any more reasons to whine left?



Bitterness, but that you've already mentioned it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-09-08 19:26:33 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because the services are bad.

"Bad" because some monoclegeddon-traumatized bittervet said so?

No. Bad because they circumvent gameplay mechanics and the balancing factors encapsulated in those mechanics for money.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-09-08 20:14:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because the services are bad.

"Bad" because some monoclegeddon-traumatized bittervet said so?

No. Bad because they circumvent gameplay mechanics and the balancing factors encapsulated in those mechanics for money.

You're disregarding alternatives that don't circumvent any of these balancing factors.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sarmatiko
#27 - 2013-09-08 20:54:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because the services are bad.

"Bad" because some monoclegeddon-traumatized bittervet said so?

No. Bad because they circumvent gameplay mechanics and the balancing factors encapsulated in those mechanics for money.

So it seems there is no serious argumented objections against this service, even from known "I disagree with anything" forum disputer like you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2013-09-08 21:14:12 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:

So it seems there is no serious argumented objections against this service, even from known "I disagree with anything" forum disputer like you.

…other than the ones mentioned (which was ultimately the reason CCP decided not to implement something as gamebreaking).

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

You're disregarding alternatives that don't circumvent any of these balancing factors.

Those alternatives would all be “don't provide shortcuts", which rather means that the shortcuts people ask for… well… won't be provided. You can't give people the option of skipping the attribute mechanics witout circumventing the balancing inherent in attributes.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-09-08 22:16:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Those alternatives would all be “don't provide shortcuts", which rather means that the shortcuts people ask for… well… won't be provided. You can't give people the option of skipping the attribute mechanics witout circumventing the balancing inherent in attributes.

This thread is about name changes, not remapping for plex.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#30 - 2013-09-08 22:32:58 UTC
Names have consequences.

Buying characters has consequences.

Logging in has consequences.






Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Secksitime
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-09-09 00:10:32 UTC
Pretty sure you didn't read the TOS.

18. You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.
Ayced Anneto
Protean Concept
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#32 - 2013-09-09 00:24:24 UTC
Secksitime wrote:
Pretty sure you didn't read the TOS.

18. You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.
Are you sure that's not assuming you try to disguise as one of them?
Doesn't sound fair not to be allowed to quote devs and gm's to get your words right
Jon Matick
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-09-09 00:37:28 UTC
You can't rename your character for the same reason you can't wipe your employment history: In EVE, reputation and history matter.

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Ayced Anneto
Protean Concept
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#34 - 2013-09-09 00:38:19 UTC
Jon Matick wrote:
You can't rename your character for the same reason you can't wipe your employment history: In EVE, reputation and history matter.
Read my first post please
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
#35 - 2013-09-09 01:14:38 UTC
Ayced Anneto wrote:
Secksitime wrote:
Pretty sure you didn't read the TOS.

18. You may not publish private communications from CCP, their agents or representatives or EVE Online volunteers without authorization.
Are you sure that's not assuming you try to disguise as one of them?
Doesn't sound fair not to be allowed to quote devs and gm's to get your words right


The line makes no distinction between disguising or otherwise. PMs/EveMails/Petitions are not to be copy-pasted if you don't first get the permission from the staff personnel in question, in this case GM Prometheus.

CCP also doesn't discriminate between the EVE Online game/forum environments and third-party sites like blogs and such, as one player found out when he was instructed under no uncertain terms that he had to remove a post with petition responses from his blog.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#36 - 2013-09-09 01:40:15 UTC
I have a great idea.

Make sure you start with a name you can live with. Then, make sure you don't do something monumentally boneheaded causing you to regret the nom de plume you're known by.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-09-09 01:51:52 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
I have a great idea.

Make sure you start with a name you can live with.

Because people never change their minds.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Sarmatiko
#38 - 2013-09-09 06:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Jon Matick wrote:
You can't rename your character for the same reason you can't wipe your employment history: In EVE, reputation and history matter.

You can rename your character and you can't wipe renaming history, so even that small 1% of players who actually care about other player name history (recruit officers) will be satisfied.

The point is that most people don't give a **** about random-dude-in-local reputation or name. Even awoxers with same name stealing everything from different corporations over and over again, and no one care to check their reputation.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#39 - 2013-09-09 07:24:52 UTC
I bought this character and i was like: hmm Hemmo Paskiainen sounds like ok. Untill i got convo'd or mailed atleast twice a day by finnish people asking if i was finnish... somtimes free invites into finnish corps aswell. So one day i asked why, and a guy said that my name meant 'son of a whore' in finnish... If i had a character named 'son of a whore' in engish it would have been renamend a lonong time ago. The point of this all is yhat i bought a character that violate the rules of the eula character policy without knowing it and i run the risk to be stuck with the name 'gallente chitezain #####'. How about that..

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-09-09 07:56:28 UTC
Buying a character or having alts is much different than having your name changed, each take considerable amount of time or isk.

Now it's, spoiled reputation and regret it ? want to join null sec again but no one will accept you, you will have to have trained an alt besides you with the same skills to recuperate for your lost reputation and if you didn't you would have to start over again if reputation meant that much to you.

Buy a character? so you dumped 2bill, 3bill, 60bill, how much more

Unless you have a handful of alts each one trained to replace your main or an insane amount of isk to dump into the character bazaar these changes limit you to either create/hop into your alt or spend the isk to "start" over with a hopefully clean sheet.

If character name changes are implemented no matter how deep you dug into you're only one step away from starting over by changing your name, and let's face it putting $$$ is always easier than training up a character or making isk to buy one, this change would not make CCP more money infact they might lose a bit, since with name changes implemented some players would no longer need an alt to do their dirty work because after they've done it they'll just change back there names, and adding a list of their previous names isn't gonna solve anything if your name was "***** Mcslappin" you change it to something decent and a list can still show your previous names people will just look it up and call you "***** Mcslappin" because they can and you effectively solved nothing.