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Character name changes, Sometimes OK sometimes not?

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Ayced Anneto
Protean Concept
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1 - 2013-09-08 06:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Hey, first time posting so this may or may not be correctly categorized.

Some time ago I spoke to the customer support about name changes, asking them if it was possible. (Although I pretty much knew it was not)
They responded to me with this following message:
Quote:
GM correspondence removed as our forum rules do not allow posting of such content, CCP Phantom
Yet trading(selling/buying) characters is allowed? Personally I don't care for **** about my reputation yet I am bothered with my name being nearly identical to my alternative characters giving other players several advantages in game.

Will character name changes ever be available?
I'd pay for it and I'm sure there are others who would
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#2 - 2013-09-08 06:16:54 UTC
No because as stated you have a reputation even if you dont care about it with other players. Others will know you for something.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Dave stark
#3 - 2013-09-08 06:33:06 UTC
no, name changes are bad for many reasons. it has been discussed before, several times, and every discussion came to the same conclusion.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#4 - 2013-09-08 06:38:54 UTC
The OP has a point - CCP are not being reasonable. If one assumes that a character is an extension of the player and they will not rename because that allows the character to take on a new 'form', then I fail to see how selling a character to another player is any different.

They should just make it suitably expensive, to ensure only the truly motivated apply. Say, £50 or so, and no use of Plex to deter in-game Gypsies who CBA trying to succeed in life. CCP really ought to have a think to themselves, they are missing so many revenue generating possibilities it's silly; Paid for Attribute Re-Maps, paid for Skill Re-Maps etc.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Chic Botany
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-09-08 06:44:44 UTC
Ayced Anneto wrote:

Yet trading(selling/buying) characters is allowed? Personally I don't care for **** about my reputation yet I am bothered with my name being nearly identical to my alternative characters giving other players several advantages in game.


One of my alts has got characters named very similarly to him, but he was the first one with that name so meh.

People do what people do, if you have an unusual name and get noticed, people will copy that name, people copy anything in eve if they think it will either A) give them an advantage or B) **** the other person off.

Look at all the copy alliances who just put a dot at the end, or a 0 instead of an O

Get over it, ignore them and move on.



James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-09-08 06:45:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
no, name changes are bad for many reasons. it has been discussed before, several times, and every discussion came to the same conclusion.

Strictly speaking, arriving at a consensus doesn't mean you've arrived at the truth.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Khen'do Khen
#7 - 2013-09-08 06:45:39 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
CCP really ought to have a think to themselves, they are missing so many revenue generating possibilities it's silly; Paid for Attribute Re-Maps, paid for Skill Re-Maps etc.


Luckily, CCP's main concern does not appear to be their bottom line. Otherwise this perfect little niche of a game, that we all ***** about sometimes, and that has survived for 10 years, would be the same as every other half-assed sell-out MMO out there.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#8 - 2013-09-08 06:48:28 UTC
Yeah, that policy still is complete and utter bullcrap, that even some well respected players (not to mention devs) seem to still childishly believe.

There are no consequences as long as the alt system is in place and even endorsed by CCP. You can gain reputation, but you can dump that reputation to someone else through character bazaar, presumably completely unaware of said reputation, whether it's good or bad. You can dodge your supposed rep and it is ridiculously easy. If you support the prevalence of alts, you cannot, realistically be against name changes because it is nearly the same damn thing.
Chic Botany
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-09-08 07:16:27 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
The OP has a point - CCP are not being reasonable.


Maybe it's the OP that is not being reasonable, expecting the writers of the game to change the rules for him Question

This topic has been discussed numerous times in the past and ccp haven't changed their stance on it.


Yes alts are all around eve, I'm an alt, (mainly because you can't say what you want in eve without some brainless moron thinking "y'know what I'm gonna wardec his corp because I don't like that comment he made to a player I don't know")

Dave stark
#10 - 2013-09-08 07:23:49 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
no, name changes are bad for many reasons. it has been discussed before, several times, and every discussion came to the same conclusion.

Strictly speaking, arriving at a consensus doesn't mean you've arrived at the truth.

and i'm pretty sure doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity.
Sarmatiko
#11 - 2013-09-08 07:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
EVE Online in China already have Character Name change and Attribute Remap services for $$$, so the tech is implemented. Name change log is also in place.

If CCP management have guts to overcome Monoclegeddon Ghost then we will get those services on TQ.
I personally don't see the reasons why not to do so. Nobody whining about Character Bazaar, isn't it?

But official comment from CCP about those services in China would be much appreciated of course. Stop acting like Serenity does not exist in the same Universe. Why exactly chinese players have better account services than we do? Straight
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-09-08 11:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Teinyhr wrote:
Yeah, that policy still is complete and utter bullcrap, that even some well respected players (not to mention devs) seem to still childishly believe.

Not only childish but stupidly believe.

"reputation" is a meaningless joke. People can change their behaviour to suit any circumstance. I have been in chat or on the forums with 2 alts both taking different stances in the same argument. You got someone who is right on your side, and raging at you at the same time. Not understanding that is's the same PERSON behind the keyboard for both of them. People don't want to grasp the difference between a character and a person...

So the most stupid aspect of this argument is believing the reputation of a fake, created character is carried over to the new owner a real person.

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...

Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#13 - 2013-09-08 11:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Ayced Anneto wrote:
Hey, first time posting so this may or may not be correctly categorized.

Some time ago I spoke to the customer support about name changes, asking them if it was possible. (Although I pretty much knew it was not)
They responded to me with this following message:
Quote:
GM correspondence removed as our forum rules do not allow posting of such content, CCP Phantom
Yet trading(selling/buying) characters is allowed? Personally I don't care for **** about my reputation yet I am bothered with my name being nearly identical to my alternative characters giving other players several advantages in game.

Will character name changes ever be available?
I'd pay for it and I'm sure there are others who would


They already recruited someone from EA, so perhapse at some point it will be part of a service you can buy on the website.
Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
#14 - 2013-09-08 16:44:06 UTC
To add to the meta game, I believe CCP has said that it causes issues database wise.

CCPs database is shoddy at best of times, if name changes were a thing, there would be no end to the problems.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2013-09-08 16:57:32 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
But official comment from CCP about those services in China would be much appreciated of course. Stop acting like Serenity does not exist in the same Universe. Why exactly chinese players have better account services than we do? Straight

Because the services are bad.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2013-09-08 17:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
The primary issue is to make sure that people can't escape consequences through simple name changes. Yes alts. Yes character trades. But this is still meaningful, and it should still be possible for eg: recruiters to at least do the most basic of security checks.

However, let's suppose we have a hypothetical "alias" system where my beloved main character Awoxy McCorp-Thief wants to change his name to Probity McReliable, but a search for "Awoxy McCorp-Thief" still brings up Probity, and also that there's a small but visible flag on the character sheet and the portrait indicating that the character has 1 or more aliases, and that those aliases are listed in the Character description.

With this system, we can counter the objections to a "name change for PLEX" system while allowing people who named their dude xXx420W33dM@sat3ar420xXx 5 years ago and now that they're no longer 14 and no longer think such names are amusing, and want a chance to try calling themselves something less flamboyantly awful.

There is also one extremely strong argument in favour of allowing name changes that I very rarely see discussed, and that is how transsexual players or players who have recently accepted a change in their sexuality identify with their characters. With trans players, I am told (and believe) that this is very powerful issue for them.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#17 - 2013-09-08 17:13:00 UTC
I think it's more the sheer amount of additional work that allowing name changes would bring is the main issue for CCP. It's been mentioned in previous suggestions that a players employment history could be kept, clearly showing their previous identity before the name change. But can you imagine how annoying it would be for CCP to have to deal with the additional petitions just so people that have named their characters poorly can set things right? Shocked

I do agree though, names don't mean much these days with the amount of throw-away characters in circulation. So many players get what they want from EvE by the constant creation and biomass of characters to get away with their dark deeds. Thats not even mentioning characters being traded, it's a wonder people can remember who they are!

Seriously though, CCP isn't going to make it possible to change your name. I'd suggest you buy a new character, or strongly consider hitting the biomass on low skilled alts with similar names.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-09-08 17:43:50 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
I think it's more the sheer amount of additional work that allowing name changes would bring is the main issue for CCP. It's been mentioned in previous suggestions that a players employment history could be kept, clearly showing their previous identity before the name change. But can you imagine how annoying it would be for CCP to have to deal with the additional petitions just so people that have named their characters poorly can set things right? Shocked

I do agree though, names don't mean much these days with the amount of throw-away characters in circulation. So many players get what they want from EvE by the constant creation and biomass of characters to get away with their dark deeds. Thats not even mentioning characters being traded, it's a wonder people can remember who they are!

Seriously though, CCP isn't going to make it possible to change your name. I'd suggest you buy a new character, or strongly consider hitting the biomass on low skilled alts with similar names.


So charage a PLEX for the first change, 2 PLEX for the second, etc. Frivolously renaming a character will start out expensive and get very expensive very quickly.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Dave stark
#19 - 2013-09-08 17:49:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
I think it's more the sheer amount of additional work that allowing name changes would bring is the main issue for CCP. It's been mentioned in previous suggestions that a players employment history could be kept, clearly showing their previous identity before the name change. But can you imagine how annoying it would be for CCP to have to deal with the additional petitions just so people that have named their characters poorly can set things right? Shocked

I do agree though, names don't mean much these days with the amount of throw-away characters in circulation. So many players get what they want from EvE by the constant creation and biomass of characters to get away with their dark deeds. Thats not even mentioning characters being traded, it's a wonder people can remember who they are!

Seriously though, CCP isn't going to make it possible to change your name. I'd suggest you buy a new character, or strongly consider hitting the biomass on low skilled alts with similar names.


So charage a PLEX for the first change, 2 PLEX for the second, etc. Frivolously renaming a character will start out expensive and get very expensive very quickly.


will the third rename cost 3 or 4 plex?
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-09-08 17:52:09 UTC
Sell your character and buy one with a non-******** name. Its quite simple actually.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

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