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How we got to Null.....you can go too!

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Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-11-14 09:41:51 UTC
If your in a medium size corporation & want to get to Nullsec this is how we accomplished that goal. Despite all the myths about it being hard to get to null & establish yourself it was not that difficult but you need a plan. It will help considerably if your corp has a capital capability and a Rorqual & carrier will be a godsend as you will see later.

We planned the move to Null 3 months in advance. We knew that we did not want to be anybodies pet at this stage so the option open to us was NPC null. We also knew that we did not want protracted logistics so null had to be one cyno jump from our staging point. This helps massively with logistics and getting your corp into null.

We anchored a POS in a lowsec system within range of our selected nullsec location, which had already been scouted & a suitable moon selected. All that we needed to do was to get a covert ops ship into the nullsec system which carried a cyno & fuel. This pilot then purchased a frigate, fitted the cyno & we were in business for stage one of the nullsec plan. From the lowsec staging point we cynoed a carrier into the nullsec system which carried the tower to be anchored, a small amount of fuel & a tec2 transport ship which was also able to be used by the cyno pilot. The tower was placed in the tec2 transport then anchored & fuelled for a couple of hours. We then jumped a Rorqual into the safety of the nullsec POS shields & properly fuelled & stronted the POS.

The Rorqual carried blocks of seven jump clones for our corp members who cloned jumped into the new system then established 24 hours later jumps back to empire. This allows us a strong nullsec prescence and our corp members can move at will between null & empire thus avoiding gate camps.

Okay, what helped us was the skills from our corp to fly the Rorqual & carriers but these skills are not difficult to get even within a 3 month time plan for advance pilots.

We now have a POS that allows us to do some moon mining, ratting & a PI staging system. It is all that is needed to grow into Null.

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-14 09:54:09 UTC
Although English is not your first language this was a nice summery of how you did it.


I hope that its going well and good luck with the future
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-14 10:12:00 UTC
Nice account and good luck!


If not for the fuel & strontium you could probably have done without the rorqual:

Your scout/cyno could have rented an office at a local station with medical services, then corp members can set their medical clone to that station and self-destruct their pods for instant travel (using a no implants clone).
Psychophantic
#4 - 2011-11-14 10:30:58 UTC
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-14 11:00:12 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
Sweet, didn't realize it was so easy.

Now all the hi-sec carebears need to do is join a decently run corporation which actually has active members who share the same goals, buy some alts, spend a quarter of a year training a co-ordinated skill plan to fill the roles needed and Bob's your uncle.

Makes me wonder why there's so many people happily running lvl4's in hi-sec.


I did not say that getting into null was going to be easy. There has to be an expected level of skills & committment. Moving to null as a lonewolf can be lonely at times hence it is good to share this ambition with your corp. Eve is a multi player experience after all & what better to share this progression with your corp & have friends around you. There is much more to Eve than running level 4 missions in empire.....wait till you see your first Titan or witness an epic cap battle in null.......
Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-14 11:06:38 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Nice account and good luck!


If not for the fuel & strontium you could probably have done without the rorqual:

Your scout/cyno could have rented an office at a local station with medical services, then corp members can set their medical clone to that station and self-destruct their pods for instant travel (using a no implants clone).


Some of our players did do this but others wanted to jump clone backwards & forwards. I guess it boiled down to vets not wanting to pay the 20 million+ fee to self destruct (tight ar***)
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-14 11:11:44 UTC
Psychophantic wrote:
It's all too hard for me


OK, fine. Its too hard for you.

Please stop telling everyone else it's too hard for them. As the OP has told you, it's not.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2011-11-14 11:57:45 UTC
With a good bunch of guys and some leadership you can pretty much do whatever you want in EVE. You just have to get off your ass and do it.

To OP, This was a story worth posting, carry on and good luck!

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-14 12:22:00 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
With a good bunch of guys and some leadership you can pretty much do whatever you want in EVE. You just have to get off your ass and do it.

To OP, This was a story worth posting, carry on and good luck!


Thanks everybody for the positive encouragement. This is our first adventure into Null as a corp. We all have a lot to learn but we can grow together from the experience & yes your right you have to get off your ass & just do it. Who wants to be a care-bear in high-sec forever, not me!
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-14 12:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Erica Snotty wrote:

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.


Congrats!

I have some questions:

I'm curious about how active you guys are and how many of your players are dedicated Eve players? Are you guys on in substantial numbers 23/7 or do you only come on during the weekends after you've worked all week and taken care of life's responsibilities?

I guess what I'm trying to establish is what kind of time commitment are you guys having to meet with a POS that could come under seige at any moment? Afterall, we're being told that unrealistic time commitments are a myth. Being a w-space dweller, I guess I'm saying it's BS unless the guys saying it's a myth are the types that come online, ask if anything is going on and then when nothing is going on they go offline. Honestly, that's good for them that they do that. But generally, that's not really benefiting the corp in anyway since the "responsibilities" of maintaining the corp are being forced squarely on the individual or few that are committed to maintaining the corp ultimately increasing their time requirements to insanely ridiculous especially in small corps. ;) I mean, there's a lot more that is require to maintain a corp than the POS(s) they have.

Don't ban me, bro!

Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-14 13:00:34 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.


Congrats!

I have some questions:

I'm curious about how active you guys are and how many of your players are dedicated Eve players? Are you guys on in substantial numbers 23/7 or do you only come on during the weekends after you've worked all week and taken care of life's responsibilities?

I guess what I'm trying to establish is what kind of time commitment are you guys having to meet with a POS that could come under seige at any moment? Afterall, we're being told that unrealistic time commitments are a myth. Being a w-space dweller, I guess I'm saying it's BS unless the guys saying it's a myth are the types that come online, ask if anything is going on and then when nothing is going on they go offline. Honestly, that's good for them that they do that. But generally, that's not really benefiting the corp in anyway since the "responsibilities" of maintaining the corp are being forced squarely on the individual or few that are committed to maintaining the corp ultimately increasing their time requirements to insanely ridiculous especially in small corps. ;) I mean, there's a lot more that is require to maintain a corp than the POS(s) they have.


Thank you for your interest.

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.

Out of our 60 player corp we see regulary 20 or so people who are the hard core of our corp. Most of these are vets in the 20-100 million SP range so would not be adverse to coming to the rescue of our POS in null if the poo did hit the fan. A call to arms would generate the entire active corp. But, and this is a big but, the POS is not the be all of our experience. It is just a vehicle to help our corp do something other than dream about null. It establishes a home away from home in null.

If the POS got wiped out, it is no big loss, we keep nothing of value there-we would just move somewhere else as most of NPC null is empty.

So to answer your question. We would defend our POS & have fun doing so, we are not just a bunch of care-bears who have left empire to go on a jolly but hey that is the fun of Eve......sometimes having a jolly is cool and this looks like our biggest adventure.
Bratwurst0r
DARK ORCHESTRA
#12 - 2011-11-14 13:27:58 UTC
Well, the question is not "can you go there", its "can you stay there and live of the land". Tell us in a few months.
Eyup Mi'duck
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-14 13:39:11 UTC
Erica Snotty wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:

I say, if you want to go to Null, just do it & have fun.


Congrats!

I have some questions...


Thank you for your interest.

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.

Out of our 60 player corp we see regulary 20 or so people who are the hard core of our corp. Most of these are vets in the 20-100 million SP range so would not be adverse to coming to the rescue of our POS in null if the poo did hit the fan. A call to arms would generate the entire active corp. But, and this is a big but, the POS is not the be all of our experience. It is just a vehicle to help our corp do something other than dream about null. It establishes a home away from home in null.

If the POS got wiped out, it is no big loss, we keep nothing of value there-we would just move somewhere else as most of NPC null is empty.

So to answer your question. We would defend our POS & have fun doing so, we are not just a bunch of care-bears who have left empire to go on a jolly but hey that is the fun of Eve......sometimes having a jolly is cool and this looks like our biggest adventure.


How many times would you be prepared to do this? Incessant CTA's will wear down even the hardiest players.

Bratwurst0r wrote:
Well, the question is not "can you go there", its "can you stay there and live of the land". Tell us in a few months.


THIS.

See you back in hi-sec soon. Bear

I am me.         I am not you.     I have my own thoughts.     I am very happy with this situation.

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-14 13:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Erica Snotty wrote:

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.



You're posting with you're alt? I'm....shocked!

uh hmmm.....thanks for the reply.

So what you're saying is you have no intention of staying there beyond a certain level of inconvenience. Or, that your expectation is so long as things are good you're going to be there. Yeah, that is a level of null existence. Dunno if it would qualify as a primary residence though. Sounds more like a vacation home? Would you say your existence is predominantly losec or nullsec?

For example: I live in w-space. The majority of my assets are in w-space. I do go to hi, lo, null but, rarely for more than a couple of days at a time.

Don't ban me, bro!

Famble
Three's a Crowd
#15 - 2011-11-14 14:45:03 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:

This character is an alt as posting with my main might be asking for trouble, walls having ears and all that.


...

For example: I live in w-space. The majority of my assets are in w-space. I do go to hi, lo, null but, rarely for more than a couple of days at a time.


Just the fact that you can indeed go to a completely different environment and live there for a few days is just another of the unique and awesome things that make Eve so special.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.

Erica Snotty
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-14 14:48:15 UTC
Bratwurst0r wrote:
Well, the question is not "can you go there", its "can you stay there and live of the land". Tell us in a few months.


We have now been in null for a little over a month and we tend to mind our business. All is quite so far & we have had a few contacts with the locals but we tend to co-exist instead of deliberately poking the ogre with a big stick.

As for loosing the POS as I said we are not going to cry about it when it happens as we have already accepted that this may happen and indeed it is more likely than not.
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-11-14 15:24:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod
Erica Snotty wrote:
There has to be an expected level of skills & committment.


Thats why its hard.

There isnt a lot of this is high sec. The atmosphere there, and all those "trust noone" types forbid this lol

Also, if you pick a system thats actually worth anything and try to invade it, you can bet murderous rage will be descending upon you in moments. Cause people like Red Alliance arent going to just sit back and let you take space from them lol

huh lost that POS already?
Yer kinda lucky that the people that killed it didnt go further. The last corp I was in that put a POS down in another corp's space in low sec, got the corp AND the alliance we were in destroyed

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Where is your God now carebear?

KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-14 15:31:35 UTC
In before someone runs a locator agent on the OP, and violences their 0.0 operation. Unless of course it's just a forum alt, at which point I will tell you to stop using form alts.

Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade

BuRniZZ
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-14 16:28:56 UTC
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:
Erica Snotty wrote:
There has to be an expected level of skills & committment.


Thats why its hard.

There isnt a lot of this is high sec. The atmosphere there, and all those "trust noone" types forbid this lol

Also, if you pick a system thats actually worth anything and try to invade it, you can bet murderous rage will be descending upon you in moments. Cause people like Red Alliance arent going to just sit back and let you take space from them lol

huh lost that POS already?
Yer kinda lucky that the people that killed it didnt go further. The last corp I was in that put a POS down in another corp's space in low sec, got the corp AND the alliance we were in destroyed


Of all the alliances in Eve that holds sov, you picked RA. This leads me to believe that you don't live in 0.0 or you're at the bottom of the pile and knows nothing about 0.0. Either way, shut your dirty mouth and go back to highsec, at least the OP has some balls. And that's half of what you need in 0.0.

Best of luck OP. And your area of space sounds a lot like GW. If that's the case, bring the region back to life please. It's been boring for a long time.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#20 - 2011-11-14 16:34:49 UTC
Bratwurst0r wrote:
Well, the question is not "can you go there", its "can you stay there and live of the land". Tell us in a few months.


uhh, that's not even a question. null flows with milk and honey, once you move there, there is literally no reason to ever go to highsec except picking up rarer modules.
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