EVE General Discussion

I guess that answers the question. When someone tells you to dock up, it's not in the interest of saving whatever newbie ship you might've lost.



You're also sorely mistaken if you think the motivating factor is fear.

I'd try to explain but... you're you.

Depends on your definition of carebear I do mainly PvE, dabble in trade, the occasional bit of ninja WH spelunking and otherwise stick to highsec. Many people would define that as carebear.

The attempt to show people that making EVE better is not to call for your own personal problems but to those affecting everyone always fail exactly due to the reason the problems exist in the first place: No one cares.

For industrialists EVE is better the way it is, and the more unbalanced pvp is, the more veteran elitist, and the more full of drama it is, better. More ships blown up, less people competing for resources, more alternative trade routes, more deserted sectors with rich planets and asteroid belts, and so on.

What amuses me more is all the fuzz about combat, when combat in eve is so "dumbed down". This is meant to be a futuristic environment, like people having FTL capabilities and neural interfacing understanding. We are able to subdue "natures creation" making a stream of immortals with a Godlike status (as they say in the PR), but ship combat systems are "smash button driven" like it was in the confrontation back when Polinesia was the most advanced society and one of the very few capable of transoceanic exploration.

And then someone tells me about how skilled is to park in a gate and exploit the fact that we are deliberately deprived of all we could have about protection and automation, just blowing up ships that cant fight back a skill requiring activity ? It is already solved in real life problems about huge ships fighting small agile ships and we still have to tolerate ganking in hisec from not more than half of the weight of one ship in a group of smaller ships ?

The problem that gets several people out of combat scene is not that they wouldnt fight, rather the situation where combat is so lame that isnt more than just train the right skills, fit the right ship, orbit and wait to see who blows up first in the MAJORITY of the situation eve presents.

Although I understand why it is the way it is. So many people already bitching about how hard and how unfair combat in eve is, if it was skill requiring lots of people would leave the game.

I see this as an alt corp being formed simply to do gankings. Then there is no "corp alt" to get revenge on.

This would not help in a corp of -10s.

Empire can control their own stations based on that same argument. And Empire could use a security rating for that very reason. They could even limit the amount of access to services based off of those same security ratings.

It's not an impossible mechanic, would just take some fine tuning.

It's not about being impossible — it's about it being bad design. NPCs aren't there to keep restrict player movement.

The only ones who are given the role of keeping players out are other players.

When I said you cannot be an industrialist only and fight back, I am just stating the obvious for an obvious reason, I am not stating that this should change or that it is a problem.

When I said everything NPCs do influences in a way the market, it is not ONLY by allowing the direct influence in the market but also when it gives people a choice. You may not need or use a house your government offers to those who cant afford one of their own, and that house may be just a place to sleep and use the bathroom, but still a way some governments influence real state market in the sense that those kinds of apartments will have their value changed for that. The same goes to any kind of thing that is exogenous to the entity being said to be the driven force. CCP already stated long ago when Aur was being implemented that plex prices wouldnt be out of measures of control. If they CAN control, that means it is not player driven, even if they dont. That is not a problem aswell. The less player driven the market is, the less likely you are to have the game hijacked by a group of players that invests a lot, going against the small time players.

And people focus too much on personal problems, which is the main problem in EVe, as it is in real life aswell. EVE right now is perfect from my point of view:
- Unbalanced PvP ? I just buy the the set the unbalance privilege, and if it changes, I buy another. I just pvp when bored anyways. Why should I care to manifest that I would like to change that ? Yes, because we should only manifest what bother oneself, not what we see wrong.
- Ganking ? Rising prices. I lost 2 orcas in a gankage, I parked one in lowsec because I need to pass by with a freighter loaded with 3 orca worth merchandise, and gankers are so stupid that they always go for the bait. The other one I did the same in another place, still not a loss. Fight the enemy where they arent. LoL. Why should I want ganking to end ? It is good business and it is conducted by stupid people.
- Wardec ? Just about now someone I know linked to someone posting here wardec this corp, which wont lose a single asset or minute mining or trading because of said wardec. Why should I fight for a better war system ? Why should I ask for a better way to conduct wars beside wardec system which is a flawed unrealistic system ?

In resume, if we only should fight for what bothers us, most of us would never have to ask anything to CCP for changing in EVE, because there is no single flaw in the gameplay that affects the majority of the players, just bugs in the game software or server.

One thing I would personally vote to change in EVE: Make Wars become "Vegas Style", which would be someone wardecs, they pay twice as much as it is paid today, but there is a catch, the one to withdraw the war, half of what was paid by any of the parts is given to the other side. Say you pay 100M to wardec Corp X, if you one day withdraw that war, Corp X receives 50M. If you get another week, the when you withdraw, Corp X receives 100M. If that was done, I would earn some serious ISK or lame corps would never wardec me again. Win-Win, for me.

Obviously, it was "having fun" during a declared "no fun time". Other people might get the idea that fighting back during a wardec is a blast, see.

No, in pretty much the whole game.

NPCs are only really there to impart costs and provide (some) rewards. It is never their role to restrict or remove player choices or actions — that's reserved for other players.

Because it's not their job to circumscribe player choices. What you're describing is more lore than game design, and security ratings are there specifically to allow players to do what you want NPCs to do: chase other players out.

Hell, I could even throw in that trite old sandbox description again: it doesn't mean that you can do what you want — it means everyone can do what they want, including things you do not want them to do (to you). NPCs are not part of that. It's all about what players can do, preferably to each other. If pirates want to roam highsec, they should must be able to, but only as long as other players don't do something the pirates don't want them to do, i.e. blow them up and keep them out.

Hey, I was RIGHT! It's "having fun" during a declared "no fun time". We can't let the proles in our "industrial focused no PVP" corp get the idea that shooting at each other is an interesting part of EVE. They might depart, then who'll AFK mine for us?!