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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-05 22:20:54 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance in some of these matters as I am a newcomer to EvE.

I've been reading a lot about how to get people to 0.0 and low sec and how many people stay in high sec. I see a lot of posts about people getting ganked and I even met someone last night claiming to represent the "New Order" where you must pay for protection...isn't that mafia?

To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game. I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.

If I have a 50mil isk mining ship, I wouldn't take it to low sec without bringing along some company along.

I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?

I can make your hands shake like a washing machine,
and you wouldn't even need to shoot anything.


You have no idea, until you've felt the thrill.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-09-05 22:23:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Gankers kill people in this game for the same reason I run over HOs in grand theft auto. It's a video game. Don't be a Ho.
Seriously best line ever !

Let's make babies !! :D
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#23 - 2013-09-05 22:33:46 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game.

To be completely blunt, the EULA gives people that right. Or at least the right to stomp all over your enjoyment, that's just the way it is. It's up to you how you spend your $$$$, but your enjoyment is not something you are automaticly entitled to. Just like any other game, you can happen to dislike it.

Marc Shi wrote:
I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.

Your actions affect something. If you sell it off, mineral prices for example. Also, some men just want to watch the world burn. Eve happens to have a lot of them.

Marc Shi wrote:
If I have a 50mil isk mining ship, I wouldn't take it to low sec without bringing along some company along.

Smart! Most people that mine in something more expensive then a basic barge have things like a starbase to warp to, and friends in the neighbourhood. Teamwork and effort overcome obstacles.

Marc Shi wrote:
I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?

It doesn't, those guys are just roleplaying a bit using ganking and extortion as interaction devices. You see, lots of players are all uber-serious about their mining ships and offer hilarious conversational material when ganked or extorted. It's a form of interaction they enjoy, and they have the freedom to do so, just like you have the freedom to do whatever you want. And that includes stomping over someone else's sandcastles.
Marc Shi
Red Phoenix Rising
#24 - 2013-09-05 23:02:53 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

It doesn't, those guys are just roleplaying a bit using ganking and extortion as interaction devices. You see, lots of players are all uber-serious about their mining ships and offer hilarious conversational material when ganked or extorted. It's a form of interaction they enjoy, and they have the freedom to do so, just like you have the freedom to do whatever you want. And that includes stomping over someone else's sandcastles.


Apparently there are few rules, I'm ok with that, I'm not much on rules anyway as Selina can attest to. The fun part of this experience is I'm learning a lot, even now. You nice people have bestowed pearls of wisdom upon me in our conversation here.

Racketeering, extortion, ganking, pirating. It's all good by me.

I believe everyone should be able to do what ever it is they want as long as that does not interfere with others to do the same.

I think it will be an interesting time when some of us meet.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-09-05 23:05:38 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
I believe everyone should be able to do what ever it is they want as long as that does not interfere with others to do the same.

I think it will be an interesting time when some of us meet.
Yeah.
Your ship might explode. xD
Marc Shi
Red Phoenix Rising
#26 - 2013-09-05 23:49:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Yeah.
Your ship might explode. xD


Maybe with a little luck and possibly some friends, yours could too.

I'm too new to be a threat and old enough to know that I have absolutely nothing to lose.
Shander Maxum
Shander Maxum Universal Ltd.
#27 - 2013-09-05 23:58:36 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:

It doesn't, those guys are just roleplaying a bit using ganking and extortion as interaction devices. You see, lots of players are all uber-serious about their mining ships and offer hilarious conversational material when ganked or extorted. It's a form of interaction they enjoy, and they have the freedom to do so, just like you have the freedom to do whatever you want. And that includes stomping over someone else's sandcastles.


Apparently there are few rules, I'm ok with that, I'm not much on rules anyway as Selina can attest to. The fun part of this experience is I'm learning a lot, even now. You nice people have bestowed pearls of wisdom upon me in our conversation here.

Racketeering, extortion, ganking, pirating. It's all good by me.

I believe everyone should be able to do what ever it is they want as long as that does not interfere with others to do the same.

I think it will be an interesting time when some of us meet.



Glad you're getting your head around it! I'd invite you to our corp but I'm terrible with following through on that sort of thing ... got work and kid's college tuition costs looming for so my play is erratic stopping whenever I have a conflict.

Finding the right match of temperments is important .. and like I said a corp with some people willing to teach and mutiple "arms" .. PVP and industrial. Look us up in game and talk to a recruiter.. (not me) and see if it is a good fit ! And keep looking if it doesn't feel right.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-06 00:02:41 UTC
Pro Tip: Many miners are also gankers. They don't like competition.

I know miners who feed intel to gankers all the time if they don't have an alt ganking directly.

"Other miners in my ice belt!!!! How dare they!"

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#29 - 2013-09-06 00:44:24 UTC
I smashy ur toys!
neener-neener
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2013-09-06 03:01:02 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
isn't that mafia?


Yes. It's a protection racket. What's the problem?

Quote:
To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game. I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.


Their ability to stop you from doing something you want to do (i.e. their "might") until you pay them gives them the right (well, ability. In EVE, you have the right to do anything you are able to do*).

Quote:
I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?


It doesn't. Unless someone else decides it matters to them. EVE is a sandbox; you can choose to try to build castles, you can choose to try to knock castles down. You can do whatever you want, so can everybody else. The interesting gameplay happens when your wants and somebody else's wants conflict.

*within the EULA, ofc.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-09-06 03:35:56 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance in some of these matters as I am a newcomer to EvE.

I've been reading a lot about how to get people to 0.0 and low sec and how many people stay in high sec. I see a lot of posts about people getting ganked and I even met someone last night claiming to represent the "New Order" where you must pay for protection...isn't that mafia?

To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game. I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.

If I have a 50mil isk mining ship, I wouldn't take it to low sec without bringing along some company along.

I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?


The only thing that "monthly $$$$" guarantees you is the ability to log in, the rest is up to the players of the game to determine. If you don't like whats going on work to change it. The beauty of this game is that you can influence it with what you choose to do. For example if you don't want to pay the fee you can choose to: leave highsec, explore different careers, found an opposing organization, or a myriad of other things. As a new player I highly suggest you explore more of EVE before you settle on mining as a career there are so many options out there it will surprise you.

Gankers kill miners for a bunch of reasons and there are too many to state. I personally do it because its amusing and it makes me money.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2013-09-06 04:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
La Nariz wrote:
Marc Shi wrote:
Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance in some of these matters as I am a newcomer to EvE.

I've been reading a lot about how to get people to 0.0 and low sec and how many people stay in high sec. I see a lot of posts about people getting ganked and I even met someone last night claiming to represent the "New Order" where you must pay for protection...isn't that mafia?

To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game. I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.

If I have a 50mil isk mining ship, I wouldn't take it to low sec without bringing along some company along.

I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?


The only thing that "monthly $$$$" guarantees you is the ability to log in, the rest is up to the players of the game to determine. If you don't like whats going on work to change it. The beauty of this game is that you can influence it with what you choose to do. For example if you don't want to pay the fee you can choose to: leave highsec, explore different careers, found an opposing organization, or a myriad of other things. As a new player I highly suggest you explore more of EVE before you settle on mining as a career there are so many options out there it will surprise you.

Gankers kill miners for a bunch of reasons and there are too many to state. I personally do it because its amusing and it makes me money.

Their ~playstyle~

Anyone notice there always seem to be tons of npc corp alts newbies who are pretty much repeating independently discovering the same "issues" of highsec ganking, bumping and the evils of nullsec coalitions, renting and the like?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-09-06 04:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Anyone notice there always seem to be tons of npc corp alts newbies who are pretty much repeating independently discovering the same "issues" of highsec ganking, bumping and the evils of nullsec coalitions, renting and the like?


It has to be just a coincidence that these ~~~~npc corp alts~~~~ also happen to post rapidly and viciously against any sort of balance attempts at highsec as well. :tinfoil:

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-09-06 05:41:28 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Anyone notice there always seem to be tons of npc corp alts newbies who are pretty much repeating independently discovering the same "issues" of highsec ganking, bumping and the evils of nullsec coalitions, renting and the like?


It has to be just a coincidence that these ~~~~npc corp alts~~~~ also happen to post rapidly and viciously against any sort of balance attempts at highsec as well. :tinfoil:


Usually.
Mr Beardsley
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-09-06 09:38:45 UTC
The way most people describe it, this game sounds more like an S&M cult than an MMO.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#36 - 2013-09-06 09:51:49 UTC
Mr Beardsley wrote:
The way most people describe it, this game sounds more like an S&M cult than an MMO.


Who says it isn't?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2013-09-06 09:54:49 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
Hi all,

Please excuse my ignorance in some of these matters as I am a newcomer to EvE.

I've been reading a lot about how to get people to 0.0 and low sec and how many people stay in high sec. I see a lot of posts about people getting ganked and I even met someone last night claiming to represent the "New Order" where you must pay for protection...isn't that mafia?

To be completely honest here. What gives anyone the right to determine what I do with my monthly $$$$ and my enjoyment of the game. I mean if I want to spend all my time mining in highsec, what should it matter to someone in 0.0 or low sec.

If I have a 50mil isk mining ship, I wouldn't take it to low sec without bringing along some company along.

I guess what I am saying as a newb, I don't get the whole argument about why gankers really want to press on miners in highsec. I pay my monthly fee to play like everyone else, why does it matter at all what I choose to do?


Your "monthly $$$$" buys you the freedom to attempt whatever goal you choose.

So does everyone else's, even if their goal is to deny yours.


But you haven't purchased the right to succeed.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#38 - 2013-09-06 09:59:05 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:

At only a few days old there doesn't seem to be many opportunities to make isk at my level besides missions and mining. Am I missing something?


You could also try exploration. And of course there's no age limit or SP requirement for the commoner forms of scamming, although most of these do require a little startup capital.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-09-06 11:10:34 UTC
Marc Shi wrote:
Shander Maxum wrote:
[quote=Marc Shi]Hi all,

Don't others hit your ball out of the way if you're playing billiards/pool ?

The game is not designed in a way that one person's behvior does not interfere with another.

You might not reallly realizie it.. but when you mine you are actually being competitive and reducing the income of other miners when you bring your supply to market.. they could demand more isk per hour without you.....


The fate of one player economically is interlaced with the motivations and actions of others.. losing a ship instead of getting lower prices is just more overt.

You must also learn not to take it personally if there is a person on the other side gloating.

You are still exactly the same person no matter what they say or think about you.. do not gage your self worth on the esteem you get from others or from how others treat you. Be above them and look quaintly on them as a biologist would look at germs in a petri dish... perhaps germs that might sometimes infect you with a cold.. but germs whom you should pay no attention to in terms of personality


I guess I was taken a bit off guard last night when this guy was explaining the whole ganking miner bumping thing. Based upon my previous mmo experience, I wholeheartedly agree that botters need to be removed from play. But paying to be protected? Pfft, I like PvP, I'll take my chances and like it.

I didn't really think far enough into the process when it comes to mining. I was thinking of becoming more of an industrialist/trader. My newb skill set seems to make me mine to make $$$$ primarily because running missions, you have potential ship loss and maintenance expenses, so mining seems more attractive from a time vs isk vs risk formula.

At only a few days old there doesn't seem to be many opportunities to make isk at my level besides missions and mining. Am I missing something?


You are missing faction warfare (high isk more fun more risk, this is mainly frigate based so easy to do as a new player. You are missing exploration which in high sec doesn't need many skills. you are missing suicide ganking of frieghters and expensive ships (uses destroyers mainly). also corp theft and scamming require little in the way of in game skills. There are many many other ways you can make isk /play eve.
Mining and missioning are dull. You should be grateful to the New Order people for making you aware so early of the various ways to play Eve. They also have a ship replacement program if u want to join them killing afk miners. Basically you kill a miner using a catalyst the loot is yours and the New order refund your ship.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ Their website is eve's most popular blog and very funny.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mr Beardsley
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-09-08 18:30:59 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Marc Shi wrote:
Shander Maxum wrote:
[quote=Marc Shi]Hi all,

Don't others hit your ball out of the way if you're playing billiards/pool ?

The game is not designed in a way that one person's behvior does not interfere with another.

You might not reallly realizie it.. but when you mine you are actually being competitive and reducing the income of other miners when you bring your supply to market.. they could demand more isk per hour without you.....


The fate of one player economically is interlaced with the motivations and actions of others.. losing a ship instead of getting lower prices is just more overt.

You must also learn not to take it personally if there is a person on the other side gloating.

You are still exactly the same person no matter what they say or think about you.. do not gage your self worth on the esteem you get from others or from how others treat you. Be above them and look quaintly on them as a biologist would look at germs in a petri dish... perhaps germs that might sometimes infect you with a cold.. but germs whom you should pay no attention to in terms of personality


I guess I was taken a bit off guard last night when this guy was explaining the whole ganking miner bumping thing. Based upon my previous mmo experience, I wholeheartedly agree that botters need to be removed from play. But paying to be protected? Pfft, I like PvP, I'll take my chances and like it.

I didn't really think far enough into the process when it comes to mining. I was thinking of becoming more of an industrialist/trader. My newb skill set seems to make me mine to make $$$$ primarily because running missions, you have potential ship loss and maintenance expenses, so mining seems more attractive from a time vs isk vs risk formula.

At only a few days old there doesn't seem to be many opportunities to make isk at my level besides missions and mining. Am I missing something?


You are missing faction warfare (high isk more fun more risk, this is mainly frigate based so easy to do as a new player. You are missing exploration which in high sec doesn't need many skills. you are missing suicide ganking of frieghters and expensive ships (uses destroyers mainly). also corp theft and scamming require little in the way of in game skills. There are many many other ways you can make isk /play eve.
Mining and missioning are dull. You should be grateful to the New Order people for making you aware so early of the various ways to play Eve. They also have a ship replacement program if u want to join them killing afk miners. Basically you kill a miner using a catalyst the loot is yours and the New order refund your ship.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ Their website is eve's most popular blog and very funny.


They kill any miners they can, not just AFK ones. There's nothing special about that.
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