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Dev Blog: Confirming the Collector’s Edition Ship Date… and more!

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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#21 - 2013-09-05 17:37:14 UTC
just like to say i dont approve of nerfing existing item sets to make room for pay $$$ for x stuff.

if the bonuses on the genolution set was too high, then the extra insanely rarer ca-3 and 4's should have had the lower net bonus (not like theres a shortage of ca1/2's). Basically pay lots of money to get other ppls stuff nerfed, and a slight + to your own.

Will the digital spaceship be vastly overpowered for its class too, rendering ship hulls 2 or so classes higher obsolete? lol
Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#22 - 2013-09-05 17:40:11 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
"Genolution's press releases indicated that this new batch of implants would be available to capsuleers in limited numbers, but after the experience of the CA-1 and CA-2 nobody believes them."

From the item description :P


CCP Fozzie - #1 Item Description Writer


Its really funny, BUT its a bit different screwing over INGAME market speculators (which is hilarious) compared to people spending real life money in order to support you.

A better analogy is that time you sold that shirt to loads of people for 1000000 Aurum then later reduced it to 2 Aurum and an exotic dancer.
jwingender
Tar Valon Research and Development
#23 - 2013-09-05 18:03:44 UTC
I must be reading this wrong.

First: Selling implants with REAL in-game advantages is pay-to-win. No other way about it.

Second: Selling all the pre-purchase bonus' for the CE defeats the whole purpose to having pre-purchased the CE. Not only that but now it sounds like someone who hasn't bought the CE will be able to buy this promo pack for $50 and get all the bonus', then immediately turn around and pre-purchase a CE for $100, also with pre-order bonus'. Is this correct? Two sets of pre-order bonus' for the same $150!

Third: Explicitly stating that all the "limited" items we are getting aren't limited in any way is a low blow.

Definitely going to either cancel and use this promo thing or just cancel in general. Cry
Valkyrie D'ark
Armed Resistance Movement
#24 - 2013-09-05 18:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkyrie D'ark
EDIT: I retract my statement after clarification from the Devs and my apparent failure to read. Sorry CCP, you guys are still awesome!
Big smile
Telorian Shoran
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-09-05 18:35:34 UTC
Is the Discount Certificate immediately available after purchase?
Maxxor Brutor
Borderline Procurements
#26 - 2013-09-05 18:42:54 UTC
jwingender wrote:
Second: Selling all the pre-purchase bonus' for the CE defeats the whole purpose to having pre-purchased the CE. Not only that but now it sounds like someone who hasn't bought the CE will be able to buy this promo pack for $50 and get all the bonus', then immediately turn around and pre-purchase a CE for $100, also with pre-order bonus'. Is this correct? Two sets of pre-order bonus' for the same $150!


Yeah seems like that...

also nice that the eurobros get $ off their € purchase... trololo.

Stridsflygplan
Krypted Gaming
K R Y P T E D
#27 - 2013-09-05 18:43:25 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
"Genolution's press releases indicated that this new batch of implants would be available to capsuleers in limited numbers, but after the experience of the CA-1 and CA-2 nobody believes them."

From the item description :P


CCP Fozzie - #1 Item Description Writer


I rest my case! Pirate
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-09-05 18:48:38 UTC
Okay, so first i got really mad reading this devblog.

Seriously, i felt the anger in me growing, slowly.

But then i realized that not only i have to cut them some slack,
but that they don't actually do anything harmfull.

Pre-purchasers get the implants *first*.
We'll get them later, but we'll get them anyway.

One can't really call it pay2win. Most people definitely won't win,
just because they use these implants before everybody else does.
And it's not even a player-made item.

Cut them some slack.
Nicen Jehr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-09-05 19:01:04 UTC
If I buy the EVE: COLLECTOR'S EDITION PROMO PACK do I immediately get the 49.99 coupon so I can preorder the full box with the discount? Or do I have to wait until the collector's edition is shipped (and possibly miss out on the limited quantities.)

Also, can I use the 49.99 coupon to get a discount if I order the collector's edition from Amazon?
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#30 - 2013-09-05 19:04:08 UTC
Pay2win eh

I tried selling the geno things in Jita early (I don't fly around with cool implants anyway, even if I only live in lowsec), and sold them for 150 million and 180 million. I figgured they'd drop in price later? But it looks like market-dolt Benny's sold too soon - a bunch were bought and the price has increased sharply

I think some other people are winning more than me :P
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#31 - 2013-09-05 19:04:51 UTC
Lallante wrote:
While I'm excited about the Collectors' Edition itself, I'm pretty disappointed by the Promo Pack offer.

I (and I'm sure many many others) shelled out to pre-order the Collectors Edition a) to support a game I've played continuosly since beta made by developers whom I've met personally, and b) to get access to content that is unique to those who have pre-ordered the Collectors Edition or bought it from them.

Offering a large portion of the supposedly limited edition content for a lower price enormously devalues the Collectors Edition for me (and the value of the items on the ingame market, though I care about this less).

I don't want a refund, as fundamentally reason a) above is more important to me, but I want to register than this feels like a slap in the face to those of us who value the "limited" in "limited edition".

I'm sure many others who have pre-ordered the collectors edition will ask for a refund so they can buy the cheaper promo pack instead.


I'd also really like an assurance that none of these items (e.g. the Genolution implants) will ever be given away in any other context, because again, we are shelling out a LOT of money here and that would considerably undermine the value received.

Quote:
The EVE Online pre-purchase items are timed exclusives, available initially to pre-purchase customers and available to trade in the marketplace. They will be made publicly available via in-game markets and promotions at a later date.


This is also seriously not OK to be applied retrospectively. It needs to be made very clear, on an item by item basis, which items are unique and which may be mass-released later. The way this was handled for the tattoos was fine (i.e. told from the original announcement it was just a pre-release).
Nailed it. Why even prepurchase the CE? In fact, why even buy the CE at all when you can buy the $50 pack, get "preorder" items, then purchase the CE and get the items all over again?

No, CCP. This reeks of monoclegate all over again. Greed is Good, remember everyone?

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Rischwa Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-09-05 20:05:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rischwa Amatin
I preordered the CE back when it was announced. Do i get this right, that, if i would be able to cancel my preorder, i could buy the promo pack/ preorder the ce again and would have had twice the rewards for the same price?
As i already used my preorder code, i assume cancelation is no longer possible ... :/
Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#33 - 2013-09-05 20:27:00 UTC
Rischwa Amatin wrote:
I preordered the CE back when it was announced. Do i get this right, that, if i would be able to cancel my preorder, i could buy the promo pack/ preorder the ce again and would have had twice the rewards for the same price?
As i already used my preorder code, i assume cancelation is no longer possible ... :/
No, but you could probably order the CE from Amazon then return it, since you'd have two unopened boxes.

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Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-09-05 20:47:03 UTC
You all do realize that if you already purchased the preorder, you get the newly announced content for free, right? Check your emails.

The Genolution set just became frikken boss. 4 implants now? All getting the 1.3x bonus? Holy fuuuuuuu
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#35 - 2013-09-05 20:59:47 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:


Yup, it's really unfortunate that the only thing that's different between the Collector's Edition and the Promo Pack is the price. Especially since the stuff in the promo pack is only for people who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition and wasn't a part of the pack when it was announced.



You mean the promo pack which only contains the preorder bonuses, and nothing else?

Woo! CSM XI!

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Rischwa Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-09-05 21:09:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rischwa Amatin
-> checked email, deleted post :)
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#37 - 2013-09-05 21:16:20 UTC
How do you pre-order something that is already shipping!
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#38 - 2013-09-05 21:37:39 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you pre-order something that is already shipping!

1. use delorean
2. profit

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-09-05 22:13:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Rischwa Amatin wrote:

This is also seriously not OK to be applied retrospectively. It needs to be made very clear, on an item by item basis, which items are unique and which may be mass-released later. The way this was handled for the tattoos was fine (i.e. told from the original announcement it was just a pre-release).
Nailed it. Why even prepurchase the CE? In fact, why even buy the CE at all when you can buy the $50 pack, get "preorder" items, then purchase the CE and get the items all over again?

No, CCP. This reeks of monoclegate all over again. Greed is Good, remember everyone?

That assumes that the code used doesn't invalidate the preorder bonuses when redeemed. The pack is essentially a partial preorder without a commitment to buy the CE in full if the items don't duplicate. Since there are claims of this being true and even derogatory remarks at CCP for it, it's been tested and proven I assume?
Turelus
Utassi Security
Second State
#40 - 2013-09-05 22:43:19 UTC
Excellent... soon my clone will be complete! whahahaha!

Awesome! loving that we're getting more stuff with the CE all the time. I like the digital pack as well, maybe we will see those tattoos come down into a price I can afford.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security