Crime & Punishment

^ Spoken like something that needs to get pyramided

Problem is that The Skunkowrks interpretation of what they think should be done is heavily skewed to the point of desperation. So much so that it seems you have decided that your opinion needs to be dictated to others as a result rather than people being able to follow a rational process. Or allowing others to live in the same space with a different set of ideals, you simply want it all your own way it seems and act out with little purpose other than protestation like a tempremental child to anyone or anything that doesn't follow your philosophies. Thus acting out against these things from a point of "hater", which I think is quite sad.

High sec is not the care bear eutopic paradise you describe and what you tend to concentrate on talking about is griefing tactics in your arguments rather than relevant PvP that the majority of others are happy to take part in. Likewise I don't agree with any full care bear safety mechanics, but there has to be some level of enjoyment and capitulation for order in high security as the term describes. Its "High Security" for a reason.

Your over active campaigning to increase the agression mechanics and griefing opportunites will only likewise be off putting for any new players or anyone who chooses to play with a more "constructive pacifist" attitude. Why should those players capitulate to your demands when they have an alternative viewpoint of how to enjoy Eve? I could say that if Eve becomes too griefer freindly the likleyhood of "new blood" could diminish, other people could be "put off" and see Eve decay into nothing also as a result, but I guess you don't or can't see this side of the argument. Or by Skunkworks decree, it needs to be an exclusive club to the existing purveyors of violence and we should all "pander" to the needs of a few people exclusively, get real.

So I would simply challenge the extremist views you seem to stand for, there's plenty of kill mails and other "events" in high sec that qualify as PvP, but only you seem to be really bitching about it.

Besides the fact that Eve is a big sandbox, you don't like one part of it, there is a huge area called low sec and null sec that vastly outweigh's the presence of High sec where you can easily satisfy the needs you have for having more freedoms to agress others. Plenty of space there to actually make something how you actually want to be within the confines of how things currently work, but I guess that would actually require some effort and thinking to do right?

Anyhow I wont impose or prescirbe how you want to enjoy the game like you like to do, but neither will I stand by and watch you simply argue for your "perverted" style of griefer game play either. As if this wasn't the case you would have likley have chosen to move to a more preferable environment like low sec to satisfy your needs.

At the end of the day dont get mad that someone "moved your cheese" with the incursion griefing, look to find a new source, else you will starve I guess.

Maybe those "small kids" should use some of their wealth to fund "combat pilots" to defend them, instead of hoarding it all while crying crocodile tears to CCP.

Tell you what: you don't like seeing people preying on the weak, right? Since you are A HONOURABLE WARRIOR, why don't you go and protect the precious little munchkins from the mean, hungry wolves? Then we could get around the whole issue without CCP caving in and implementing a pvp switch to retain the valuable "keeping my sub until I mine enough to buy one of each barge type and then go back to Farmville" demographic.

There isnt a pvp switch going on, merely making things fairer for everyone. Some people dont want to pvp, fine, they will always be preyed on by people like you, and that is also fine; Eve should always be a dangerous place where you can die at any time anywhere. However, now the game doesnt favour you, it also doesnt favour them. Now there is risk for both sides and that is why you are crying, the days of ganking poeple and being paid insurance for it are over. The days where getting your neutral alt to rep safely while you attack people are over. Now you will have to adapt to harsher times.

HTFU or log off, the choice is yours, the only tears I am seeing here are tears from gankers who will no longer have it quite so easy.

I think he was referring to the pyramid quotes rather than getting bent out of shape with you.

How is it in danger of becoming a PvP-free haven, exactly? It's something nobody wants. Or am I missing the point of what is possibly a pre-emptive rally being the result of a knee-jerk reaction from a recent mechanics change?

Yeah, I have to agree that the dec-shielding is lame and this is starting to affect the mercenary trade. In terms of making things interesting, you have to go with the numbers. The aggro scams you guys pulled with incursion fleets never bothered me, and hopefully made the smarter people stay with corporation/alliance fleets. The only thing is the sheer number of people doing the incursions compared to those trying to stop them - the squeakiest wheel gets the grease.

As for those requests you cite, I hope and doubt they will ever happen. And this is from someone who you guys might call a carebear. You will always get people complaining when they fall foul of certain things without being smart enough to learn from what happened and figure out some way of avoiding them in future. learning to deal with things like that is part of the game.

Couple of examples of Skunkworks point of view from elsewhere (incursion griefing thread):





Clearly an interpretable view of yours that carebears have it easy? I think sufficiently valid for me to make that simple claim in the post.

But I guess it would be stupid of me to expect you to debate the points I made with anything but a diversionary tactic and a really poor attempt at a subjective character assasination. Truth hurts I guess.

If you can't debate valid points and holistically without spin, don't claim to be hard done by them, hypocrite.

Why all the fuss if it doesnt interfere with how you play your game?

EVE is not marketed as PVP only, its marketed as 'sandbox'

That to me says you make of it what you want to make of it.

Wanna be a pirate? Go ahead.

Wanna be a missioner? Knock yourself out.

Wanna be part of a massive alliance with 1000's of members? Go do it then.

Wanna stay away from PVP and stick to PVE/ind/inv/whatever? - Good for you.

If people want to PAY to play EVE the way they want to play it, then leave them be imo, them playing it their way has no detrimental effect to how you want to play your game, so why the mountain out of a molehill?

TBH your 86 kills dont impress me, such as the thrasher you killed in a dramiel, or the drake who got concorded that you got a shot off on. Neutral RRs will get flagged to all people the repped person is flagged to. You wont get insurance from suicide ganking. I know full well what these dev blogs are about.

I think you fully misunderstand what I am even talking about. I WANT more pvp in Eve. Ganking lone people or wardeccing weak entities however is griefing, not combat. It IS pvp yes, but it isnt a fight. I have had more fights so far than you probably will in your time in Eve Online. I have solo'd, small ganged, duo'd, hisec, lowsec, nullsec, wormholes. I have participated in thousand man fleets against thousand man fleets, I have solo'd in every ship size up to battleships. You, quite simply, dont measure up and you cry like a big girl who just realised that slapping the little kids about in the playground is now going to result in some serious pain.