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Which Navy faction battleship should I get?
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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-09-05 08:31:48 UTC
I'm getting to the point that I can do level 4 missions with increasing success and so my profits are picking up. (make 60m is loot, salvage and tags on mission) and so I'm getting to the point I can think about getting a navy faction battleship.

I was going to go for the Navy Raven, however I could instead go for the slightly cheaper navy scorpion or cross train to unlock the pirate rattlesnack.

Which one do people advise me to go for?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2013-09-05 09:13:14 UTC
Where do your skills lie?

If you don't have good drone skills, avoid the rattlesnake, as the majority of its DPS comes from being able to run a full flight of sentry/heavy drones

The primary decision between the NRaven and the NScorp is 'Tank or Gank'.

The Norp has a resistance bonus, but fewer launchers (until rank 5 in Caldari Battleship. when it equals)

The Naven has better range (due to the flight time bonus) and better application to faster ships (the explosion velocity bonus)

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-09-05 09:18:12 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Where do your skills lie?

If you don't have good drone skills, avoid the rattlesnake, as the majority of its DPS comes from being able to run a full flight of sentry/heavy drones

The primary decision between the NRaven and the NScorp is 'Tank or Gank'.

The Norp has a resistance bonus, but fewer launchers (until rank 5 in Caldari Battleship. when it equals)

The Naven has better range (due to the flight time bonus) and better application to faster ships (the explosion velocity bonus)


no I don't have great drone skills so perhaps not the rattlesnake. And I'm only upto 3 in caldari battleship and I like range so I think its the raven then.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-05 11:32:34 UTC
If you think you're ready to risk a faction battleship on missions, it's a good idea to take the extra five or six days to train the battleship skill up to 4. For the Raven, you'll gain both missile range and weapon focus for smaller targets; for the Scorpion, you'll get a faster fire rate and better resistances.

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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-09-05 11:37:16 UTC
Navy Raven IMO fit it with a micro jump drive and you're laughing.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#6 - 2013-09-05 12:14:11 UTC
Sigh -- not this again.

Scorpion Navy Issue. It has a tank like thirty bricks, doesn't cost a lot (relatively speaking), and does respectable DPS.

(Kicking myself for giving serious advice to this kid yet again ... but good luck Paul)




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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-09-05 12:20:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Marc Callan wrote:
If you think you're ready to risk a faction battleship on missions, it's a good idea to take the extra five or six days to train the battleship skill up to 4. For the Raven, you'll gain both missile range and weapon focus for smaller targets; for the Scorpion, you'll get a faster fire rate and better resistances.


yeah its in my skill plan already

but mainly I'm doing ok via managing agro and burning away from the enemy. I can lock at 87 while the enemy don't seem to be able to hit heavily beyond about 50-60 and my missile DPS is just below 500 on the navy raven so I feel good.

with tech 2 drones trained up frigates/destroyers are much less of a problem (unless they shoot the drones)
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-09-05 13:08:36 UTC
My alt has a pure 27.5k buffer tank (no recharge, no booster) that does 674dps with non-faction, 774 with faction and 943 with t2 fury. It can tank all but the bonus room in angel extra, then I use another character with logi. He does however have caldari bs 5. RNI does more dps and can clear rooms slightly faster but you probably will find yourself warping out alot more in the tougher lvl 4's than you will when your in an SNI.
Gallastian Khanid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-09-08 09:03:41 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I'm getting to the point that I can do level 4 missions with increasing success and so my profits are picking up. (make 60m is loot, salvage and tags on mission) and so I'm getting to the point I can think about getting a navy faction battleship.

I was going to go for the Navy Raven, however I could instead go for the slightly cheaper navy scorpion or cross train to unlock the pirate rattlesnack.

Which one do people advise me to go for?


Hello friend. Don't get a Navy Battleship. Its very expensive and you're very new to the game and very well known from your forum posting. A Navy Battleship is a pretty good kill. Someone will probably be happy to wardec you to kill it.

Furthermore, the increase in performance over a regular Raven is not worth the risk/cost. Just don't do it yet.
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-09-08 14:02:14 UTC
Gallastian Khanid wrote:


Hello friend. Don't get a Navy Battleship. Its very expensive and you're very new to the game and very well known from your forum posting. A Navy Battleship is a pretty good kill. Someone will probably be happy to wardec you to kill it.

Furthermore, the increase in performance over a regular Raven is not worth the risk/cost. Just don't do it yet.


Good advice here, your posts have made you a target, I wouldn't fly anything that is worth ganking / wardeccing you for.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-09-09 02:12:00 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Gallastian Khanid wrote:


Hello friend. Don't get a Navy Battleship. Its very expensive and you're very new to the game and very well known from your forum posting. A Navy Battleship is a pretty good kill. Someone will probably be happy to wardec you to kill it.

Furthermore, the increase in performance over a regular Raven is not worth the risk/cost. Just don't do it yet.


Good advice here, your posts have made you a target, I wouldn't fly anything that is worth ganking / wardeccing you for.


Seconding the advice above.

BTW, if you can't fit at least T2 mods on your navy BS, just don't fly it. Regular BS works well for Level 4s
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-09 14:30:39 UTC
..If the man wants a Navy Issue, he should get a Navy Issue. Paul, go ahead and get it, but make sure you take care of it. What else are you going to spend your ISK on?

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-09-09 14:56:24 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Gallastian Khanid wrote:


Hello friend. Don't get a Navy Battleship. Its very expensive and you're very new to the game and very well known from your forum posting. A Navy Battleship is a pretty good kill. Someone will probably be happy to wardec you to kill it.

Furthermore, the increase in performance over a regular Raven is not worth the risk/cost. Just don't do it yet.


Good advice here, your posts have made you a target, I wouldn't fly anything that is worth ganking / wardeccing you for.


the prevalent reason for ganking mission runners is the expensive fittings. if you keep your fit reasonable (unlike this guy), you will almost certainly never get ganked.

also, the navy raven is better suited for lvl4 missions than the navy scorp, as it has sufficient tank and better damage projection/application, whereas the navy scorp has an overkill tank and underwhelming damage stats.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2013-09-09 16:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Daniel Plain wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Gallastian Khanid wrote:


Hello friend. Don't get a Navy Battleship. Its very expensive and you're very new to the game and very well known from your forum posting. A Navy Battleship is a pretty good kill. Someone will probably be happy to wardec you to kill it.

Furthermore, the increase in performance over a regular Raven is not worth the risk/cost. Just don't do it yet.


Good advice here, your posts have made you a target, I wouldn't fly anything that is worth ganking / wardeccing you for.


the prevalent reason for ganking mission runners is the expensive fittings. if you keep your fit reasonable (unlike this guy), you will almost certainly never get ganked.


Not quite related to this topic but this fit IS an exception.
Of course, the fitting of officer mods as such is retärded (I guess it can be reasoned on certain capitals) but some deadspace items can be surprisingly cheap.

It all boils down on common sense, I guess, paying attention certainly helps, as does operating away from hotspots.

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Lilliana Stelles
#15 - 2013-09-09 17:04:04 UTC
I'd just wait and get a Machariel.

Don't waste time training a sub-par mission boat.

Not a forum alt. 
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-09-09 17:07:57 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
I'd just wait and get a Machariel.

Don't waste time training a sub-par mission boat.

by the time OP has the skills for a mach, it will probably get overnerfed until it's useless :)

I should buy an Ishtar.
Neesha Marinn
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-09-10 10:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Neesha Marinn
Forget faction BS, train up, get a Golem.

EDIT: you're at BS level 3, why are you even considering a faction BS?

Not trying to sound bitchy but get your skills sorted first man.
Roll out a standard with a full T2 fit including drones, secondary weapon skills at 4 and 5 (let's not overlook cap and other core skills) and thén start wondering about faction.

Use your ISK for different shizz, pretty sure there's other stuff you can think of.
Neesha Marinn
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-09-10 11:13:50 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
my missile DPS is just below 500 on the navy raven so I feel good.


Just so you know, your DPS is irrelevant on a missile boat like a Raven for missions.
Volley is what matters.

Between my plethora of sheeps, the Raven and Golem share about similar DPS, the volley difference however is disgusting.
Ned Brandtor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-09-11 08:48:29 UTC
What is "Volley"?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#20 - 2013-09-11 09:31:10 UTC
Ned Brandtor wrote:
What is "Volley"?




I fire ze missiles.

They hit you.

/That/ damage is your volley damage.

Your DPS is that damage divided by how many seconds between launches.


Flight time can also adjust your DPS.


Fun thing: With a very fast battleship, and cruise missiles/Torps, you can 'stack' your volleys. You do this be diving at your enemy, at around the speed of your missiles. This will cause the time between volleys hitting to be reduced. This can overwhelm your enemies defences. Though it does mean you're effectively not shooting them for a while.

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