Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i need 11 sec to scan down your orca in such a scenario, and the probes will be on your dscan only for 9 sec, , the moment they vanisshed, i'm already almost on grid with the orca and so does my fleet.

and i'm FAR from being the fastest combat scanner.....

no, l2eve sig radius etc.....

if i was to scan down an orca doing this, i would have already pinpointed his aproximate location, and i would scan him because:

1- it's faster and i don't need the probes to be below 4AU (even 8 will do for an orca), giving me a pretty wide area of scanning so i don't need to scan twice or too long to pinpoint an exact location, so i'll give less time for them o react to my presence in local

2- the barge is doing back and forth to the orca, meaning the chances are high that i scan it during his warp (in or out), while the orca is most probably static, so i'm 100% sure to land on what i'm hunting in the first place.

If you can scan down a POD that's afk practically anywhere in a system. (Which is several times smaller the an Orca.) Then you should be able to scan down an Orca.

Otherwise make your argument with PODs first then move onto the Orca, since the Orca can be fit for combat. Daft as it may be, you still can! But the POD is more trivial and provides NO combat presence what so ever...

A temporary base of operations is a good idea, but has been dropped by CCP along with the POS revamps. What you want is a game breaking element. An anchored Capital in any system given the immunity to be scanned down is OP. Unless it has a cloaking system of some sort then I can seeing it having some merit. But restrictions would need to be put into place for such a thing so lot's not OP, like burning fuel.

Also the Orca has it's purpose, and it does a damn good job of it too. Maybe a tech 2 version would be needed if CCP was to give it any role...

It needs to exceed the current functional ability already in game, to have any merit.

I can take my alt, support with my Orca cloaked, and perform significant activity.

To upgrade this, I am suggesting the Orca, in this case immobile and just sitting for the most part, not require my character to be present.

With my character not present, having a fully functioning cloak seems OP. I could concede automating the cloak for this purpose as an alternate, and leaving the ship exposed as it would be normally when uncloaked.

The point, in this case, is that my character is sitting idle, neither productive or at risk.

And if you take your cloaked Orca, (you'd need to first off, drag it to destination system unless you use a Titan.) You'd need to uncloak it first to do practically anything.

Pretty much all ships sit there immobile if there isn't a pilot inside it. Asking to park it somewhere while it does whatever you want it to do without it being scanned down is OP. Since the only time where this would be of use is in enemy territory as you can't dock/toss it into a POS.

And thus yet again as I stress this point even further...

The Orca has a role already, it does a good job of doing it. And when Fozzie gets around to that ship I HIGHLY doubt it'll be changed from it's current role. Off from maybe a few changed to its cargo/ship/ore holds.

You're not going to get OP toys, I'd suggest pursuing a more realistic goal of a new ship class that does similar to what you're asking. If you did that and said something towards keeping a pilot inside the ship at all time, then you might get more backing...

i like the idea but Not Being Able To Be Scanned Down while anchored i do not like....as it would be of a sort of POS...which can be scanned down. Maybe a Module or 2 Modules that would generate a small force field and you could launch sentry drones in lieu of POS guns (whatever they are called). and being able to fit a cov ops cloak (too OP ye?) Mobile Privateer Base (Pirate).

"Activated Modules with No Pilot" .... that is interesting as once a very long time ago in Gisleres i saw an orca pilot change ships and the orca disappeared and he began mining with the now "un-docked" ship. idk if it was a bug etc or what BUT that is what got my interest in the orca and the once unscannable hold.
This thread immediatley brought me back to that day and when i saw the : Possible Upgrade: Dev balance as to whether you can activate and leave modules running for boost functions, it might be worth while.

i thought of mining right away and wondered if that was possible when he did what he did....and always thought that it would have been that way.

but i don't see why it could not be anchored as a temp base of ops so long as it came with some of the other pos :

force field, tower, etc and so on...... because IF you were to anchor and leave it without a pilot...somethng(s) have to keep it "running"....you would need fuel , etc...this you know.

always thought of using the Orca for a "Mobile Base"....one way or the other.

Noone needs to scan down a POS.
You can find every single one in a system by simply visiting all the moons, and taking notes about what is sitting in the orbit.

That is why they are a "blob or GTFO" limited strategy.
If you lack force of numbers, you are simply waiting for your opponent to get around to evicting you.
You cannot hide from them with this.

I'm not saying the Orca is the optimal ship for this, but this is what I'd suggest:


You essentially want a mobile Corporate Hangar Array + Ship Maintenance Array + Storage.

The Orca is nice because it cannot Jump and is not very agile, has a moderate tank, etc. The problem is, you can't leave it in space because someone will scan it down and take it, so you desire to make it "unscannable".

I think there is a major technical hurdle of your suggestion:

An unpiloted ship has limited player attributes attached to it.

An unpiloted ship doesn't have any modules activate, and activating them is rather difficult as there is no pilot to draw skills from.

With that, I'd suggest the following:
Have it be a ship similar to the Orca, but with a slightly larger (600k m3) SMA, and maybe no ore hold.

To deploy, Eject from it and anchor it like a Giant secure container.
Eject shuts off all modules running, so booster crap won't be an issue.
When anchored, it then becomes "unscannable", as you like.
Give it a 30s anchor / unanchor time (leaving a nice window of opportunity for you to lose the ship). This would prevent many people from deploying it in highsec, as someone might blap your ship/pod after you start the unanchor process, allowing them to "steal it" once unanchored (lol)!

Posting in a stealth nerf cloaking thread.