Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They will never make local like WH local. It would simply make me too happy. That, and it's a fairly radical change. CCP doesn't dig controversy these days.

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Well what do you think of my particular idea to buff or update those tools to increase the usability and help replace the intel deficit if CCP does in fact nerf the intel portion of local?

I fixed it for you



That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason we still keep having this arguement is because pvpers and wormhole fanatics want to change the way everybody else plays this game to suit the way they think the game should be played.....

Rebuttals in underlined Italics.

I'm a 0.0 isk whore. And even I can see the benefits of keeping local.

Lol.

Let's face it. The only reason you actually want local removed is because it shows me not only that you are in system, but what your name is, what corp your in, if your a threat via red standings or not and how many brosefs you have with you. Not to boost pvp, not for immersion, but because it gives you away.

Constellation chat does the same thing, as should region chats. Constellation chat has a close window option. One of the first things I do when I log in with a new toon and or on a new machine. Closing region and constellation chats doesn't remove me from the constellation pilot count, but then again, nobody cares about a chat count unless it gives away their plan for surprise butt sex. If they want to know where in the constellation I am, they can use locator agents or fly system for system with combat probes until they find me.

So add a close button/mechanism for local that doesn't effect local count. Closing local removes your portrait from the local chat, but it doesn't deduct from the local count for that system/constellation/region. Still metagaming, but at least I can't see your fugly face when I log in. People can log in, see their not alone (if they can count), but would have no clue who's there with them until its too late. Out of sight, out of mind as you say. Would I hide myself from local? Of course yes. Do I believe my future victims deserve not to know I'm in the system by hiding me from the local count? Hell no. They should have equal opportunity to know I'm in the system without risking ship and limb just to obtain that information.

If you just bump the local count/portraits up to a constellation level, sooner rather than later, some turd will come along and demand constellation chat be removed because its metagaming.

Before you know it, corp chats and alliance chats will be next, because you can instantly use the metagaming element to see who is online in your corp or otherwise.

Seriously.

You want easy 1 sided pvp, go find it the hard way. You dont want hard 1 sided pvp, ignore it the easy way.

Unless you live in Soviet Mordor (Which you dont), in which case hard 1 sided pvp finds you easily.

I can't accept Concord knowing who's in the constellation in hi-sec, without knowing who's where in the constellation. If that were the case, they should not know who's in the constellation to begin with. Its very easy for an entity that controls a geographic area, like say a country, to register who's entering and exiting the country at which border post. Do illegals enter a country? Of course they do. Can they do much without registering and making their presence known? Not really. The same can be applied to Concord and stargates in hi-sec.

I can accept this delayed local argument for low sec, whereby people show up in local after a duration, with or without chatting. Since Concord doesn't reside in the Ghetto, but the empires that subscribe to Concord still own the gates you use.

I can totally accept a delayed wh local effect in 0.0, whereby players do not even show up in local unless they chat, but their count remains. I can even accept a local upgrade for 0.0 sovereignty that makes the stargate register you in local upon jumping into the system at the behest of the system owners at a significant isk cost.

But what I refuse to accept is that all of New Eden needs to subscribe to the WH local way of life.



1) People who dont want to fight dock up if reds jump into local. No local, they dont know about it. They will know once they lsoe a few ships. You mentioned it. Then you forget you did and jump straight back into question mode. Was hoping to find some intelligence. Left disappointed.

2) You ask the same question twice. I'll answer twice. They see reds in local, they dock. No pvp. They approve, pvpers dont. aww. PvPers go find afkers who don't watch local. Cue the hisec miners/afk mission runners.

3) Whats going to happen if mining and pve becomes a ghost town in hi-sec?
- The prices of goods on Jita will be determined by the 0.0 alliance that can spam the most of it. This is anti-competitive behavior, since 1 or a small handful of entities will control an entire market. They will no longer have to put up with individual players devaluing ships, modules, ore or anything with an isk tag at the end of it in their mundane quest to carve out some excuse of a living in empire with low value items and pathetic quantities. Add supply and demand to this equation. Now all of a sudden you end up paying 20 mil for that cruiser that once set you back 3 mil. Because carebears in hisec no longer spam them 24/7 or compete with each other in a bid to bring down prices through oversupply. Does the cruiser actually cost 20 mil to make? No. Does it matter? Of course not. I don't spend 450 mil to build an orca. But if I have the only supply of it in a region, I'll charge what I want to and if you can't be asked to afford it, go build your own.

Go out mining to get the materials for it. Get ganked a few times because you fail at Eve. You end up spending 300 mil just to mine some of it and then give up realizing you should have paid me that insane amount of isk just so you wouldnt lose your stuff in the process.

Will this ever happen? Not 100%. But a significant mark will be made on these activities if local is nerfed for hisec.

4) I wish these large griefing entities used wardecs. Fact is they don't. It's called jihad ganking. This is where concord fails. If more corps were forced to use wardecs, the world will be a better place. Wars would go from costing nothing, to costing isk depending on the size of the corp/alliance/coalition your at war with. That's without losses.

Finally. Agreeing on disagreeing.

Quit hisec life, move to whs permanently. We'll have this chat again in a few months.

Removing local is bad.

No matter how their alts try to make it look like it will be a wonderful thing for small corps it will just be a big boon to huge alliances and AFK cloakers.

Do NOT remove or delay local.

If it is one thing that is common on these forums is that after a roaming gang just misses a golem kill. The first thing they do is come here and say "LOCAL SUX remove it plz" Without the slightest care on what it will do to nullsec life.

Less-safe space... in hi-sec?

High security implies I can throw caution to the wind. You only call it a broken mechanic because it would make hi-sec life more interesting... for pvpers. Miners will sit on a station all day hoping the pvpers get bored. That in itself makes Eve boring. And lets not forget, miners don't have 2000 man alliances to mine a single belt. They tend to do it solo.

People like me make Eve boring? Lol. Eve is what I make of it, for myself. And I like it that way. And I love my local the way it is, across the space its currently located in. But if keeping local is going to increase the boring of your Eve, then head my call, move to local-less space. Stop trying to change current local space into whs.

Every single reason you hind behind or fathom up to remove local is a pvp strawman. Deny it all you want. You love grabbing those straws as much as the next ghetto-monkey. Should hi-sec be 100% safe? No. But removing local isn't the answer.

Fact is people like you are slowly turning hi-sec into low-sec and then you have the audacity to cry about us moaning when we don't approve, claiming it breaks immersion. immersion has nothing to do with it. I do not want to become Eve... I want to play eve. End of story.

Your fixated with less secure space = more fun and you deserve to die for not having a 200 man corp to keep an eye on all the angles while you fly around as paranoid as a stoner blazing up in a police station. Again, move to said space. Hisec clearly isn't the place for you. You want to be able to hide in incursions most likely and no thave people know your in local as to avoid losing another 1 bil isk nightmare with faction fits. tsk tsk. What was that about paying attention in less secure areas?

And for the love of god... your metagaming bullcrap excuses... give it a rest. Its every 2nd word with you. Metagaming this.. metagaming that.

If you were a true anti-meta gamer, you'd start throwing up topics moaning about the difference in meta levels for ingame items and how pitting hi-end meta level items and ships against low-end meta items and ships should be removed because it would make eve a more fun place.

O wait nerfing bigger and more powerful ships & modules... that would make your incursions so much harder..... wouldn't it...