These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Eve = Sociopath's Playground

First post First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2013-09-03 10:49:44 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Ressiv wrote:


You are aware that bullying is a social mechanism to enforce learning how to behave in that group ?


You are aware that you are completely ******** ?



It's because of pubbies like those and other scum alike internet gets more and more controlled, countries set more and more laws about and at some point some have the balls to make things happen.
This reminds me that kid in jail not a long time ago for bullying another kid and his stupid nerd friend making youtube idiot speeches about freedom and respect when he had no idea what he was talking about and specially about those two words.

What this kind or thread reminds me is that Internet is not controlled enough with RL consequences, but we'll get there at some point and sooner the better, on top this will generate business/money thus a must do asap.


Funny how I am scum now .. the people who know me would describe me as very caring, helpfull, dependable and generous. The bullying I went through made me realize that being a victim is a choice .. I wont bore you with the details even if you want me to, as they are not relevant. Yes there are cases where it's about power and control, but this was not such a case .. it was about taking a **** out of guy who seems to would have used his house as collateral if he could.

Sure it costs him .. but one can hope that eventualy even in this case the guy will start to see a patern ..

His wife comments at 1:22:29 (by his testimony) who is making fun of him now .. irritated at him being so daft obviously (after just hearing him read a ******* wikipedia page).

So yeah, this is arguably a very low cost service for the guy ... helping him redefine boundaries.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#262 - 2013-09-03 10:50:04 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
They purposely recorded him and convinced him to do humiliating things to publicly display his humiliation
Kind of like those Australian radio DJs who made that prank call to that English nurse.


That ended pretty well indeed Twisted

Well it didn't end in anyone being charged.

They also didn't bully anyone. They made a prank call which invoked a terrible set of circumstances. Had they called up and got her to humiliate herself, then published the recording against her will they'd have been charged.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#263 - 2013-09-03 10:51:27 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
He comprimised his Morals because of greed. noone forced him into anything.
but were the ones with the problem right?


This. But this reminds me of something else, actually.

Have you ever watched Big Brother??

Do you think the producers of that show should be charged with bullying? It's the same thing, making people jump through hoops of self-humiliation for prizes and the like. None of the contestants are forced to do anything, they always have an option to get out of it at any time. No one is holding them there against their will, they are there of their own accord.

The same applies with the guy in this recording. It's just another episode of Big Brother.

Except the big brother guys sign contract to accept what they are doing, and get paid a shockingly large amount of money to allow both the act and the publication of the recording.


Without knowing the specifics of the contract (you'll have to show me one) I can't see the contract being relevant to this point. As for the money they get paid, what doesn't make that a reward in exchange for their humiliation?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#264 - 2013-09-03 10:52:00 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ressiv wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

How come at the end of the recording then, they say "by the way we've been recording this. Do we have your permission to publish it" he then clearly say no, they then say "so we have your permission" which again he says no, now it's published.


To me that seems like you need to listen closer .. he first said yeah or something to that effect, then came back on that.

No, he didn't He said "No" which was spoken over by one of the Erotia1 guys, who then said "So we have your permission" to which he responded "No, you do not have my permission".
Go ahead, go listen again. Run a filter if you can't hear it through the noise, but he clearly said "No" twice.

Permission was granted as the discussion started,
Consent was revoked at the end meaning he would not continue. We are then allowed to keep what 'evidence' ect we found whilst consent was given which is what you hear in the recording.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_search

Same things apply.

 ♥ 
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2013-09-03 10:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lucas Kell wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
They purposely recorded him and convinced him to do humiliating things to publicly display his humiliation
Kind of like those Australian radio DJs who made that prank call to that English nurse.


That ended pretty well indeed Twisted

Well it didn't end in anyone being charged.

They also didn't bully anyone. They made a prank call which invoked a terrible set of circumstances. Had they called up and got her to humiliate herself, then published the recording against her will they'd have been charged.


Nope. Not by Australian law they wouldn't. Don't know if you've heard much Australian radio, but that happens often. It's actually my favourite breakfast radio segment on my drive to work, the prank calls. Anyway, people consenting to self humiliation are not being bullied, they are choosing to humiliate themselves. You're going to have to learn to identify the line between what you personally find abhorrent and what is actually abhorrent.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#266 - 2013-09-03 10:53:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
"No, you do not have my permission".

Does it matter?

Does it matter if someone explicitly tells you you do not have their permission to publicly release a recording of their voice, then you do it anyway? Yes, yes it matters.

Why?

The fact that you ask that question clearly shows you are not the type of person thaI want to get into a long discussion about it. I know it's fun for you to PWN TEH NOOBS and to watch the world burn, but people like you are not good for society.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2013-09-03 10:53:43 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

It's a criminal offence to make a voice recording both in the US and here in Australia without the permission of the person being recorded. Here in Australia that comes under the covert surveillance act. In US not sure. Fines / Jail time.

Both have nothing to do with the tort of defamation, which is a civil offence - reparations.

Nevertheless the guy was stupid.




Except that when you have a half decent lawyer, you will get away with even recording police officers (15 years if convicted). Also, and again, what does this mean for a recording of a soccer game ? Hundreds of potentional lawsuits ?
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#268 - 2013-09-03 10:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Just remember, scamming new characters is frowned upon. If a new character is scammed, please file a support ticket.

Harassing other players is also not allowed. If someone is harassing you, please file a support ticket as well.

For the time being, I am locking this thread.

EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative ※ EVE Illuminati ※ Fiction Adept

@CCP_Eterne ※ @EVE_LiveEvents
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2013-09-03 11:00:24 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Just remember, scamming new characters is frowned upon. If a new character is scammed, please file a support ticket.

Aye Aye !