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Amarr/Minmatar zone - whats up at the moment?

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Captin Cuddlypoops
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-08-28 17:22:41 UTC
Veratrix wrote:
Captin Cuddlypoops wrote:
Veratrix wrote:
If I may, what didn't you like about the cal/gal warzone?


Mostly the way the caldari seem determined to fight each other rather than anyone else and the gallente just seem to be off riding bikes elsewhere or sitting around with their thumbs up their butts. If I'm going to join a war it helps if theres an actual war to join.


The actual "war" part of FW is barely applicable anymore. If you are looking to join because you want to be a part of some meaningful fight against 2 groups who hate each other and are fighting for a greater cause blah blah blah, that won't happen. What we do have is tons of pvp, of every variety, with small gang being the norm while BS and caps aren't an exception. Much of the pvp isn't against wartargets but against various pie entities in the area. Not sure how that diminishes the pvp though or the access to it.

The Cal are fractured and disorganized I can't disagree with that. The "thumb up the butt" impression of Gallente on the other hand could not be further from the truth when it comes to pvp. The corps here live and breath it. If you had joined a half decent one you would know that. Or maybe your expectations are to high who knows.


Yeah like i said above i think im going to have to spend some more time scouting out the area, i seem to have got the wrong impression first time around.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#22 - 2013-08-28 19:30:21 UTC
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.

Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.

Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.

Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP whore by pushing to T4.

Meh.

pew pew

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2013-08-30 16:40:46 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.

Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.

Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.

Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.

Meh.


Here are some stats from today:

Caldari: total pilots -6891; kills last week- 3,042 systems 32; vp last week .24m
Gallente: total pilots- 5412; total kills last week - 3070 systems 69; vp last week .31m
Amarr: total pilots- 4108; total kills last week - 2177 systems 8; vp last week .13
Minimatar: total pilots- 5361; total kills last week-1668 systems 62; vp last week .16m

The relation between kills and sov is a tricky one. There may just happen to be allot of pvp unrelated to plexing that still comes in.

Minmatar are clearly the most dominant in this war now with 88.5% of the war zone. Yet they have the fewest kills per pilot and fewer kills per vp than amarr. Gallente which is doing second best in the sov war with 68.3% does have the most kills per character in fw but has the fewest kills per vp.

To my mind the kills per vp is the more important figue. Lots of those characters counted as pilots are alts that may not actually be logged in let alone in space. Getting vp actually requires someone to be in space. When I was farming some missions for minmatar the last 2 days there appeared to be well over 2xs as many minmatar in local than amarr. Maybe even 4xs as many.

But even vp per kill is pretty lacking. CCP doesn't include the vp gained from cross plexxing. This leaves a huge hole for example in the number of vp per kill for the minmatar plexing in gallente caldari space and caldari plexing in amarr space. However the caldari probably have enough to farm in their own front.

TLDR: Statistics given aren't sufficient to say much but what they do show tends to confirm fw sov is more about rabbit plexing alts than it is about pvp.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Aslon Seridith
Valklears.
#24 - 2013-08-31 12:42:20 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.

Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.

Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.

Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.

Meh.


There is still plenty of pvp Pirate

You gotta roam further & lead more gangs to run into more pvp m8 ,, not just wait till they bother to come to your systems.
Like even though, biohazard/winmatar, pretty much spearheaded the whole warzone push. We still manage to find ourselves pvp everyday & continue to do so.

Just gotta have the fc's & active members looking for these fights and knowing where to go if your area is a bit dry. Like now the amarr pretty much gave up on fw, whatever they claim their reasons to be, we pretty much demoralized them for weeks resulting in all of their fc's quiting fw, cuz they just couldnt handle the defeats anymore.

But.., eventually Amarr will start & try to push again, which will create more pvp. Yet even rightnow, systems like; Siseide have still Amarr willing to fight if you don't blob them. Creating better doctrines will also allow u to take on better & bigger groups like 0.0 alliances or elite low sec pirate groups.

Biohazard as a single corporation, killed 1400 the last month, while your alliance as a whole only did 1548,, just shows there is plenty of PVP, but apparantly not everyone seems to be able to find this. Which in the end is just a matter of roaming & knowing where your targets area's are.

Bear happy hunting Bear

㋡ it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |

Author of: How to win FW in 3 months | Nullsec Bittervet | www.winmatar.com

Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#25 - 2013-08-31 14:36:10 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort,


Id like to identify the main problem with faction war. Its all there in this post. While *pockets may be a tedious presence in any local or forum (cant be too harsh, dudes gotta get release from the frustration of working the deli counter), saying they took arzad in a pve drive is basically saying that you didnt fight for your home system. A shady pve insult doesnt hide that.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
#26 - 2013-08-31 17:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Guerrilla
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort,


Id like to identify the main problem with faction war. Its all there in this post. While *pockets may be a tedious presence in any local or forum (cant be too harsh, dudes gotta get release from the frustration of working the deli counter), saying they took arzad in a pve drive is basically saying that you didnt fight for your home system. A shady pve insult doesnt hide that.

Well, we actually had a chance to hold Arzad until Fweddit came in in full force and kept plexing nonstop for 24 hours, all of this with full dust bonus. After those 24 hours it was over as we simply couldn't field enough people and cover all timezones.

So basically, they won in a pve drive.

/edit

And now i'm getting advice on pvp from Biohazard. Ugh I gotta get out of these forums.

pew pew

Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#27 - 2013-09-01 01:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
Choosing between Amarr and Minmatar for FW is a very simply proposition. On one hand you can make good isk and find PvP almost at the drop of a hat. On the other hand you can make fantastic isk but at time struggle to find the same frequency of combat. For myself - having chosen Amarr - the choice of lower isk I make is the premium I pay for not having to wait for my PvP. Blink

I plex a lot. When I log in I'll typically grab a frigate, destroyer, or cruiser, head to a random system, and open up a plex. Typically someone is along in short order. Plexes are how I find 90% of my combat fun. The other 10% comes from nightly alliance roams. Plexes are also how I fund my ships. I can average about 2 billion isk a month playing part time for a militia habitually at tier one. As much as people want to min/max the game and complain about the LP discrepancy - the profit margins for FW regardless of which side you're on are just stupid. I can replace most ships 3-4 x and have 5 different clones for different ship types.

IMHO FW revolves around two simple factors - docking rights and bragging rights. Isk over time is inconsequential. Docking rights can be circumvented with a POS. Bragging rights are important and I'm not going to thump my chest and declare, "I didn't want those systems anyways." However I've:

Defensive plexed for 8+ hours a day. And watched those days turn into weeks turn into months.
Fought sleep to complete one more plex while one day old alts quietly watch and wait for me to log off.
Fretted the day at work wondering how much of our progress the Russians were going to undo.
Shot out desperate messages from work inquiring about the status of certain systems.
And on and on.

I did the above for nine months straight. And then I went away for three months. I'm not alone with Amarr who went away. And surprisingly there seems to be quite a few of us returning at the same time. I still like those bragging rights. But if I'm going to stress out about a computer game war - it damn well better have better benefits in play then simply bragging rights.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#28 - 2013-09-01 23:00:43 UTC
What's this I hear about Fweddit leaving the warzone?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#29 - 2013-09-01 23:28:29 UTC
This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.

Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!


Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#30 - 2013-09-01 23:46:04 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.

Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!




Keep it up and I'll give Cearain your home number. Big smile
Eran Mintor
Marathon Drinkers
#31 - 2013-09-02 00:10:43 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.

Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!




This made me smile.
Philpip
The reality disfunction
#32 - 2013-09-02 06:34:03 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:


Keep it up and I'll give Cearain your home number. Big smile


This made me chuckle, tho it would not reduce stress but increase it exponentially!

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#33 - 2013-09-02 13:25:35 UTC
Well having been back now for half a month I think I have found the problem. Not going to tell anyone though, there may be spais watching my every move Cool

Little bit sad that rocking anything larger than a stabber right now is going to get me murdered by every pirate from here to the opposite side of the warzone but MEH... **** happens. While a few mates are gone for a while I'll prob head to caldari/gallente warzone and see what's up. Since Amarr are only going to get back right now to a stable place with an influx of plexers. Never actually spent much time with my caldari bro's and frankly I wanna fight FW targets not neuts all the time.


GALLENTE IMA COMING FOR YOU NEAOW!! No need to be scared though, I can't fight without links, minnys told me so Roll



X Gallentius
Black Eagle5
Villore Accords
#34 - 2013-09-02 17:17:23 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:

GALLENTE IMA COMING FOR YOU NEAOW!! No need to be scared though, I can't fight without links, minnys told me so Roll
Not you too. *sigh* When is some large 0.0 alliance, a 0.0 messiah, or even l33test of the l337 players in Eve ever going to join Gallente instead of Caldari?

FW is not fair. I hate you Jita market hub.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#35 - 2013-09-02 18:52:04 UTC
Er what?

I'm none of those things, I'm terrible. I would join you but I'm not leaving TMFED and I don't like pewing purples :(

Trust me you'll like shooting me, I'm like that loveable puppie trying to hump your leg. You COULD stop it but its funnier watching him hump your mates leg....
BattleStar Crusader
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#36 - 2013-09-02 20:09:22 UTC
Having been back for a month now I can safely say I have seen this before. Near enough the same as when I first joined the militia back in 2009. The Minmatar have more pilots, can field bigger fleets and dominate the systems, the Amarr are disjointed and fractured.

The pendulum swings, the Amarr will bounce back and dominate again soon enough. There's an abundance of targets to shoot ate and with a little organisation can make good of a bad situation.

Best thing about it, I'm always fighting against the odds, something I love Cool I like them odds.

See you in space.
Pinky Feldman
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-09-03 04:32:03 UTC
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Sadly, there's only pve left now.

After Fweddit (and to a lesser extent, roflpockets and the Sahtogas crew) took Arzad in a mad pve effort, it all went downhill.

Maybe 3 weeks ago, things started to look slightly better. A few fweddit came back, quiet a few old amarr FCs logged in again, 2 Caldari corps moved into Kamela and even Innovia Alliance seemed to figure out how to fit ships for pvp.

Then a random pirate corp started camping Kamela 23/7, Biohazard recruited every single pilot who could fly a rifter and knew how to lock an ihub and here we are now.

Kamela is empty and about to fall, Sahtogas was flipped without any resistance and just yesterday Biohazard reactivated every single LP ***** by pushing to T4.

Meh.


There is still plenty of pvp Pirate

You gotta roam further & lead more gangs to run into more pvp m8 ,, not just wait till they bother to come to your systems.
Like even though, biohazard/winmatar, pretty much spearheaded the whole warzone push. We still manage to find ourselves pvp everyday & continue to do so.

Just gotta have the fc's & active members looking for these fights and knowing where to go if your area is a bit dry. Like now the amarr pretty much gave up on fw, whatever they claim their reasons to be, we pretty much demoralized them for weeks resulting in all of their fc's quiting fw, cuz they just couldnt handle the defeats anymore.

But.., eventually Amarr will start & try to push again, which will create more pvp. Yet even rightnow, systems like; Siseide have still Amarr willing to fight if you don't blob them. Creating better doctrines will also allow u to take on better & bigger groups like 0.0 alliances or elite low sec pirate groups.

Biohazard as a single corporation, killed 1400 the last month, while your alliance as a whole only did 1548,, just shows there is plenty of PVP, but apparantly not everyone seems to be able to find this. Which in the end is just a matter of roaming & knowing where your targets area's are.

Bear happy hunting Bear



Mate, as much as this pains me to say, do you even know who you're talking to? Have you even heard of Annah Kitheran or have any remote idea of how much of a powerhouse Iron Oxide used to be? The new FW is a system that you grow or burn out of.

A lot of Amarr oldschool FW moved onto other things or took a break from EVE after Arzad and the realization all the decent Minmatar PVP groups had already moved on themselves. Some like FHP might call it 'winning' but personally, I would say its just the realization that the people you fought so hard against for so long that you came to define each other, are no longer there.

In fact, a lot of the oldschool vets that have come back are enjoying themselves in the cal/gal warzone, because *gasp* the Gallente can actually PVP and thus are a source of decent fights. Winmatar will probably accomplish something that the old guard Minmatar never could, taking all the systems is a pretty cool accomplishment even if was against only a handful of pilots that only care about PVP, but implying that it makes you superior to the PVP and warzone tactics of your militia's old guard is just erroneous.

For once, we're just going to sit back and enjoy Tier 5 on our Minmatar alts while we do nothing but pew. We may never get a medal, but at this point we honestly don't feel like we need one. The pendulum might swing back and forth, but no medal will ever replace the experience of being in the Amarr/Minmatar FW warzone for the past year and a half.

Pinky Feldman
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-09-03 04:36:10 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
This all sounds like Post-FW Stress Disorder. Occupancy warfare is HARD, requires effort, and leads to massive burnout. What FW needs is a good set of Psychologists and Counselors to help our frazzled vets transition to a normal Eve life after they are done.

Just think of all the harm done to the families of FW pilots all over New Eden. Did CONCORD think about these unintended consequences when it implemented this feature? Well??!!




Dear X Gallentius,

Your posting always makes me smile.

<3

Pinky
Eran Mintor
Marathon Drinkers
#39 - 2013-09-03 07:10:36 UTC
BSC is back too?

Dear God...
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-09-03 12:51:20 UTC
Minmatar agricultural output is 489% up.