Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're incorrect. Its part of balance as I have already proved in this thread. If a variable can be adjusted to cause wanted or decrease unwanted behaviour in a playerbase its a balancing variable.

When you can kill a freighter an empty freighter and profit which you can (profit is not just isk, it also includes killmails) then the game is imbalanced. Isk wise if you can kill an empty freighter for 70 million and salvage it you have more isk than when you started. Clearly not a good situation for the game to be in.

The only thing you've proven in this thread is that you can't admit when you're wrong. Trying to have a debate with you is like trying to attack an armoured vehicle with a toothpick.

You're completely wrong. If you like I can give you examples from developer conferences and resources which clearly show that time to acquire and effort to destroy are important balancing considerations in the production of mmo games.

If I do that will you all shut up and accept it? Or continue to pointlessly argue against something that is really quite self explanatory and simple?

It's also not rocket science that there's enough leeway in CONCORD response time that such latency doesn't matter.

15 ships is still 15 ships, ISBoxed by one guy, or a group of buddies bullshitting on comms.

It's hardly pointless; it keeps you coming in here and spewing your ignorant prattle, which is worth its weight in gold for the entertainment factor alone.

It's also hardly self explanatory that you have somehow become the arbiter of what is and is not balanced in EVE online. You wouldn't happen to have a CCP developer stating for the record that freighters are unbalanced, would you?

Yes there is a difference, you don't want to admit be it but there's one and not a small one. It happens in all big fights, in small fights and almost every situations where different players act together:

-one gets dc
-one got gone take a ___ and takes ages
-one got his mom yelling at him
-one lags because he's watching adults stuff while playing

etc etc etc

As much as you want to put aside or ignore all aspect that make the difference in between 15 characters played by a single guy and 15 different people, we, from the other side reading this we can't stop reading these arguments with a large smile.

You know, makes me think about this one guy I was chating with a couple day ago, he's using aimbots and whatnot for a know fps and was in my team so I respectfully asked him to stop and a small discussion was then started.
The guys argument and he wouldn't change his mind about, is that if it's free then you shouldn't be able to pay and get the highest tier stuff from the beginning, therefore he was hacking.
I asked him how much he payed for that hack (!) he told me 15$ by paypal with option full security, in short when hack is detected he can't use it but when it does he can do anything he wants.

This multibox stuff is about the same idiocy level.

I don't need to 'admit it.' It isn't rocket science, at all. Getting other players to pay attention isn't hard, at all. Making sure to ask everyone to X up if they are ready isn't hard, at all. Planning enough surplus DPS on the field to get things done isn't hard, at all. **** can happen, and so you plan for it to happen.

If you lack the basic leadership and mathematical skills to cover a contingency in a high sec gank, I feel for you. But please do not project your own failings onto the rest of us who are able to competently conduct these things.

There's a lot wrong with this post.

For a start, cost is not a part of a balance. You have not "proven" that at all, you've repeatedly demonstrated you do not understand this game and its mechanics, or the concept of balance at all.

Secondly, there's an implication regarding "unwanted behaviour" - ganking people, even ones in expensive ships is very explicitly a WANTED behaviour. If It weren't, CCP wouldn't allow you to activate your guns in highsec, or on a ship that cost "too much" compared to yours. The devs, the mechanics, the ten year history of this game proves that it's an intentional, desired playstyle.

Thirdly, the fact that you can kill a freighter (or ANY ship) for profit proves the game IS balanced - literally the exact opposite of what you're saying. It would be imbalanced and disastrous for the game if it weren't possible or beneficial in anyway (profits, tears, whatever) to kill ships that cost more than your own. To suggest such a thing is incomprehensibly idiotic.

You could fill a freighter with your tears. And we'd gank it.

Biomass yourself

Wow I can't believe I haven't seen this thread yet lmao

I think suicide ganking is fine as is, but the dude is getting a hard rap here.

I would think a modern day pirate would have to, at some level, accept the fact that his chosen occupation has a high chance of death. Media reports indicate that at least 62 pirates were killed at sea in the first five months of 2011, which amounts to
9% of the 'pirate population' when annualized. That is actually a significant amount of perma pod death.
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In fact the instances of piracy in the most notable areas has suffered dramatic declines in recent years, only one ship was attacked in the third quarter of 2012 compared to 36 during the same span in 2011. In addition your numbers/assertions were slightly off. 25 military vessels from the EU and NATO countries, the United States, China, Russia, India and Japan patrol approximately 8.3m km2 (3.2m sq miles) of ocean, an area about the size of Western Europe. When you factor in the other obvious elements of the force (Intelligence gathering/on shore operations, reconnaissance aircraft) such an area of space is well within the capabilities of the forces on station to manage.

Furthermore, while UNCoS generally dictates no armed civilian merchant should carry arms, as a response to the rise in modern piracy, however, the U.S. Government changed its rules so that it is now possible for US-flagged vessels to embark a team of armed private security guards. Other countries and organisations have similarly followed suit.


What does this all really mean for EvE and freighter killing? Absolutely nothing, which is why really your wrong to him on both counts, pirates in fact die a lot, and yes using a real life example as such to talk about balance was really quite useless.