Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To make the game more Dynamic and combat more strategic and interactive I propose the following:

i- remove cloaking from the game and make the detection of ships more reliant on Sig radius, giving ships that are designed for cloaking a Sig radius bonus.

ii- remove players from showing up on local.

iii- greatly increase the activation range for warp gates as well as the distance you appear upon completion of jump (say up to 5,000km) to bring fights into the system and away from the gates.

iv- have a cool down on warping while in system, say 1 min, varying with ship. Refreshing upon changing system or entering a station.

v- overhaul the scanning system to make it completely interactive with the overview, making scanning and scouting the staple of
combat rather then gate camping or afk cloaking.

In order to keep the post brief i'll stop there for the moment, it'll take forever to lay the whole plan in my head down, obviously there is much more, like transport of goods in low and null, but that a subject that requires much more thought.

But hopefully you can see these idea is to bring both opportunity to both invaders and defenders, also removing the afk and static nature of trying to get a kill. I strongly believe that to bring down a system, corp or alliance should take more thought than gate camping or putting a cloaked ship with a cyno in a system, as well as small gangs should be more potent as invaders.

So, this would be horribly broken. Sig radius is used for damage calculations, lock times, and a few other things.

On the flip side being invisible on-grid is the point of a cloaky ship, which this completely removes. Invalidating an entire ship type is bad.



Having players in local generates conflict and player interaction. These are good things and some of the staples of conflict in Eve. Therefore local should stay.



This would actually push fights onto gates more because one of the main reasons fights happen on gates is because you can escape through them even while warp scrambled, you just need to de-agress first. In Wormholes you don't even need to do that and you still generally end up with a "brawl at 0 on the hole" fight meta.

If your objective is to push fights into the system proper then you need something there to drive the fight, gates are used for travel and serve as a bottle-neck and therefore drive conflict tinkering with them will not push fights into the system it will either do the opposite or generate fewer fights in general.



This would completely break a number of mechanics like on-grid warping and make Warp Disruption somewhat less necessary. Also it encourages station games which are generally not fun.



Ignoring completely the UI issues inherent in moving scanning onto the main game window (which are massive) cloaky scout ships already generally fit probes and use them while observing an area while cloaked to keep tabs on the rest of the system.

Gate camping is generally boring, it's used to protect space most of the time and is only viable for getting PvP when you're either trying to get kills rather than fights or have a bottle-neck area. Otherwise many many people go on roams. You might want to look into roaming gangs before condemning the static nature of Eve PvP.

Also if you think that's all it takes to bring down a system then boy are you in for a shock. There's mountains of logistics and planning that go into any attack, the lighting of the cyno is basically an after-thought (also it's rarely on any sort of cloaky ship).

Yes, but wormholes are also full of conflict generators. People live in them or go into them searching for money. Quite often they find money and no people and are completely unmolested.

The mechanics of wormhole space also help to drive conflict with the ability to connect to many points from a single system and the relatively large numbers of people living in wormholes pushes this further. In low and null sec these mechanics don't exist and there isn't the same sort of focused profit driver.

and as i posted there are many things that would have to be revised, and these where just thoughts, obviously there would have to be more systems implemented to stop things like sitting on gates, please read the OP.

god forbid anyone for wishing for a more dynamic game based on skill.... i know.

EVE players are so opposed to anything that relates to a player actually having skill and be an active part of the game!

Cloaking is just a god mode nothing more, nothing less.

and BTW this is an ideas forum not a "lets crucify anyone that challanges the statis quo" forum

Confirming OP was once touched in his no-no place by a cloaked ship.

how I am not advocating skill.

I told you to bring an information warfare linker to aid in instalock. Hell I will even be nice....after tomorrow if they are level 4 link skills make them 5. Link adjustment hits tomorrow, every % needed after 1.1. No fleet booster...."gimp" your fit with sebo res scripted possibly. Eve is a game for 2 people. Can you lock and tackle them before theywarp/burn off if they decide to not engage? Skill vs skill....just like you wanted.


I told you to bring a high skill prober. I even gave an amusing anecdote to show what happens when you don't bounce safes until timers run out and opt to take your chances in deep safe and leave. Skilled prober in crew hunting you....you wake up in a station.


Cloak is not god mode....I cannot fire at you cloaked. I have wrote treatises here on afk. I will sum it up like this: read kb's. Running in fear of a player who has kills every other time except when you are on is idiotic. I personally liked my afk'ers from the US tz (I am asia TZ) when in 0.0. They scared away people like you and I had the whole system to myself to rake in some nice ratting isk.

If that meany recon is on your tz...well then read intel. If for the past 3 days he calls in 10 more recons/bombers.....where are they now on day 4? Its not a game mechanic problem if 100 null bears cba to roam even locally and go ohh cool....we found the other 9 ships to go with Todd the cyno bait in some other system. Also not a game mechanic problem if the covert ninjyas are better at avoiding your traps (if bothering to do that) to keep on hunting. Skill versus skill....in this case your bait skills are lacking most likely.

Having trouble getting easy kills on hisec->lowsec gate?

Cloaking was introduced to game to directly counter gate camping.