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Is such allowed in duel?

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-09-01 10:29:16 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
The engagement lasts for 5 minutes.


Well, funny. Must take a very fanatic person to only duel in front some station having other ships 'on stand-by' so he could have an unfair 'second chance' to win??hahahaha How silly this is (and all for some killboard points). Again: do such players think they do this for a living??? Real funny.

Anyway, it does not bother me at all, I just learned about possibilities I did not even know to be in existence. I hope that new players will be properly informed about such tricks (even in a limited engagement duel???)....funny.

Think I have my answers now. I am realy surprised.

Thank you all for your kind explanations. Cheers!


Don't duel at station undocks.
Half the time the other guy will dock before the fight and then undock a new ship then.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-09-01 10:58:11 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
The engagement lasts for 5 minutes.


Well, funny. Must take a very fanatic person to only duel in front some station having other ships 'on stand-by' so he could have an unfair 'second chance' to win??hahahaha How silly this is (and all for some killboard points). Again: do such players think they do this for a living??? Real funny.

Anyway, it does not bother me at all, I just learned about possibilities I did not even know to be in existence. I hope that new players will be properly informed about such tricks (even in a limited engagement duel???)....funny.

Think I have my answers now. I am realy surprised.

Thank you all for your kind explanations. Cheers!


First of all, why would anyone expect you to hang around after the duel? Plenty of people store multiple PVP ships in one place, because plenty of PVP players know they are going to lose ships, and don't cry about it when it happens. It's not silly that the guy that beat you beat you, it's silly that you stuck around, and then it's even sillier that you tried to whine about it on the forums when it's evident that you got beat because you got stupid.

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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#23 - 2013-09-01 11:26:11 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
Is this fair play?


This is why the whole Dueling thing was stupid to begin with.

Cause now you have newbies going around thinking EVE is supposed to be fair.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Demica Diaz
SE-1
#24 - 2013-09-01 14:11:59 UTC
Haha, good ol EVE. Just when you think something simple thing works as you think it does. Game slaps you in the face. Guess how many times I heared "I didnt know you can do that!" outside Dodixie station when folks dueling. Bear
No Alibi
Sometimes Here
#25 - 2013-09-01 15:45:03 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
If the engagement timer was still going, then yes it is in accordance.

Think of it like this...

You screwed yourself by wallowing in your glory, undocked, with a timer going.

Hubris.


When I destroyed his ship at that time the 'limited engagement' was over (at least, that is the way it is stated). Took him less than 40 seconds to get another ship and come back? Is this fair play? Are new players even informed that some players will trick them that way (even in a duel limited engament)?

I do not bother loosing or winning, I intend to play occasionally for just fun (as many do) and I loose ships all the time, loosing billions totalling worth. Do I bother? No, since I enjoy it as long it is fun.

But, a player sneeking inside a station, getting another ship?? Come back and 'winning' that way??? Are those players do this for a"' living'????? We are talking a duel here! Just a game for fun and some enjoyment.

Anyway, I just want to know if the regulations were applied here.

Ever hear of "Home field advantage"? Should look it up next time you accept a duel with a local. Just sayin' Roll

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Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-09-02 02:12:40 UTC
As far I am concerned I am satisfied, all was explained. But as it now seems some players exchanging comments and thoughts of intrinsic value in a contributing way, well, ok, interesting. So, let me bring in the following to consider:

If one reads my comments well, then it should be clear that I do not mind the general 'everything is allowed policy' of the game. No, to the contrary, I value that, it makes the game even the more interesting! So, that was never the issue here at all!

I just emphasized that most new players having entered the EVE arena for say 3 months or less it would come as a real big surprise (in a frustrating way, that is) to see that 'even in DUEL limited engagements' they are conned out of their most likely very first ships by so-called "good PvP players" (I cite here from some above comment, obviously) who already know most of the existing loopholes because they played the games for many years.

Furthermore, I do not realy understand why so-called "good PvP players" would even have to bother falling back on using any odd tricks against new players(??) just learning to make their very first steps in duels? Admit, such strikes me as a bit odd! Yes?

And to avoid any misunderstandings here: I myself am not a new player; I just noticed an irregularity with regard to the option of "duel - a limited engagement" and then I wonder and ask myself: how would any new players react when they encounter such unfair conduct in "Duel" (and do not forget: most people associate the word "duel" with fairness, someway "The Knights on Horses" idea, 1to1 based on skills only, thus "bare flying skills only" in this case).

In short: I opine most people (even the new players) already know that everything is allowed in EVE and that is even part of the reason they must have joined since such results in unique and very interesting gameplay!) But, whereas it comes to duelling ( as an option limited engagement!) new players of course tend to believe it to be an exception to the general rule was made there: 1 player versus 1 player, no assistance of others, no dockings within fights and 1 ship versus 1 ship and a very effective way to build out ones flying skills in a fair way! Well, don't you think such new players would get a bit puzzled and frustrated when they noticed that this is not the case? And how would they react to such an surprising experience, meaning for instance a "good PvP pilot" after losing sneaking in his closeby station to get another ship hahahaha?

Would it not be far more logic and realistic that when in PVP (limited engagement option) a ship is destroyed that the fight is over?? I am convinced that Captain James T. Kirk would have fully agreed with me upon this (otherwise also he would end up having to beat his opponent Khan over and over and over and over again in the very same duel since Khan would keep coming back after 40 seconds with all kinds of new vessels and customized load-outs! Imagine that! hahahaha
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-09-02 04:06:09 UTC
Forsooth! There are curs in New Eden who hath no honor in them. They make a show of such chivalry, and whence they've been felled by their betters, play wounded in station. They steal themselves from the station where they hid and skulk about, seeking out the knight that felled them. Whence they have found the valiant knight who felled them, they pounce on his unsuspecting back, showing naught the mercy the valiant warrior showed the curs - striking him down from behind, as cowards do. Then they strut about, speaking of their virtuous victory (lying curs!) Forsooth! chivalry is dead in New Eden!

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Raiz Nhell
Tactically Challenged
Tactical Supremacy
#28 - 2013-09-02 04:31:30 UTC
If you'd beaten him when he undocked a second time, things would be different.
This thread wouldn't exist...
You'd be off bragging about the idiot that undocked with an aggression timer...

Like everyone has said... you should of GTFO, or reshipped into ship with different stats to give you a chance in the second engagement..

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#29 - 2013-09-02 04:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Chin MonWang wrote:
AI do not realy understand why so-called "good PvP players" would even have to bother falling back on using any odd tricks against new players(??) just learning to make their very first steps in duels? Admit, such strikes me as a bit odd! Yes?

Not exactly. In EVE you never know who is a true newbie or who is a veteran player in a newbie character.

Why would veterans create a new character?

- the clones are cheaper (so you can engage in suicidal PvP without much risk).
- they want to pursue a new career in EVE without the "connections" their old character has.
- there is a certain challenge in working with minimal skills.


It is actually for this specific reason that EVE doesn't have many rules regarding new players outside of newbie systems.

Chin MonWang wrote:
And to avoid any misunderstandings here: I myself am not a new player; I just noticed an irregularity with regard to the option of "duel - a limited engagement" and then I wonder and ask myself: how would any new players react when they encounter such unfair conduct in "Duel" (and do not forget: most people associate the word "duel" with fairness, someway "The Knights on Horses" idea, 1to1 based on skills only, thus "bare flying skills only" in this case).

Either the newbie will learn that...

- in EVE "fairness" in the traditional sense is not mechanically enforced. Ever.
- they should be prepared for the opponent to use "unfair" tactics and/or use such tactics themselves (the options are available to everyone... which is truly "fair").
- this may not be the game for them.

Chin MonWang wrote:
I am convinced that Captain James T. Kirk would have fully agreed with me upon this (otherwise also he would end up having to beat his opponent Khan over and over and over and over again in the very same duel since Khan would keep coming back after 40 seconds with all kinds of new vessels and customized load-outs! Imagine that! hahahaha

Bad example. Captain James T. Kirk was well known to outsmart and fool his opponents in ways that were never quite "fair." Granted, most of his enemies were morons and violated many of the rules from The Evil Overlord's List... but still...
Chin MonWang
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-09-02 07:18:28 UTC
Thx, good comment, indeed. But then again, as a little footnote, to consider: would the legendary James T. Kirk also succeed outsmarting or tricking out any of the other characters in say for instance 'Alice in Wonderland' as well? Thus, under far different circumstances, I mean? Luckily we will never know of course since Kirk signed as a member of Starfleet and not as Alice.
Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-09-02 07:29:53 UTC
Zappity wrote:


Or perhaps you fly to the hub each time you lose a ship (probably in your pod) and buy a whole new loadout direct from sell orders?


I remember me doing that, as I could not afford a host of ships at any given place :p
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#32 - 2013-09-02 11:53:31 UTC
Chin MonWang wrote:
As far I am concerned I am satisfied, all was explained. But as it now seems some players exchanging comments and thoughts of intrinsic value in a contributing way, well, ok, interesting. So, let me bring in the following to consider:

If one reads my comments well, then it should be clear that I do not mind the general 'everything is allowed policy' of the game. No, to the contrary, I value that, it makes the game even the more interesting! So, that was never the issue here at all!

I just emphasized that most new players having entered the EVE arena for say 3 months or less it would come as a real big surprise (in a frustrating way, that is) to see that 'even in DUEL limited engagements' they are conned out of their most likely very first ships by so-called "good PvP players" (I cite here from some above comment, obviously) who already know most of the existing loopholes because they played the games for many years.

Furthermore, I do not realy understand why so-called "good PvP players" would even have to bother falling back on using any odd tricks against new players(??) just learning to make their very first steps in duels? Admit, such strikes me as a bit odd! Yes?

And to avoid any misunderstandings here: I myself am not a new player; I just noticed an irregularity with regard to the option of "duel - a limited engagement" and then I wonder and ask myself: how would any new players react when they encounter such unfair conduct in "Duel" (and do not forget: most people associate the word "duel" with fairness, someway "The Knights on Horses" idea, 1to1 based on skills only, thus "bare flying skills only" in this case).

In short: I opine most people (even the new players) already know that everything is allowed in EVE and that is even part of the reason they must have joined since such results in unique and very interesting gameplay!) But, whereas it comes to duelling ( as an option limited engagement!) new players of course tend to believe it to be an exception to the general rule was made there: 1 player versus 1 player, no assistance of others, no dockings within fights and 1 ship versus 1 ship and a very effective way to build out ones flying skills in a fair way! Well, don't you think such new players would get a bit puzzled and frustrated when they noticed that this is not the case? And how would they react to such an surprising experience, meaning for instance a "good PvP pilot" after losing sneaking in his closeby station to get another ship hahahaha?

Would it not be far more logic and realistic that when in PVP (limited engagement option) a ship is destroyed that the fight is over?? I am convinced that Captain James T. Kirk would have fully agreed with me upon this (otherwise also he would end up having to beat his opponent Khan over and over and over and over again in the very same duel since Khan would keep coming back after 40 seconds with all kinds of new vessels and customized load-outs! Imagine that! hahahaha


In EVE there isnt *good PVPer* and *bad PVPer*

There is just the guy that lost his ship and the guy that didnt.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-09-02 12:16:09 UTC
Never used the duel mechanic myself but limited engagements always last 5 minutes.

Always be aware of your aggression timers. That's the moral of the story.
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