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Adapt Freighter and Jump Freighter

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#741 - 2013-09-01 20:17:47 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Matari Akiga wrote:
Bonused dual web ship to help me get into warp quicker, a fast high mass battleship like a mach to bump the bumpers, ships scouting ahead and if I am feeling paranoid dual logi support and a smart bombing cruiser with MWD to pop untanked dessi's.

If the gankers plan for all of that they deserve the kill mail IMHO along with whatever drops which will be a lot less normally than what other freighters are carrying.


This guy is giving out solid advice on how to avoid being suicide ganked yet gets ignored. I'd like to point out that we have never suicide ganked a freighter that was taking such precautions.


The sad thing is, he's not merely ignored in these threads; people will tell him that he's wrong.

This tells me one of two things about the freighter pilots that ignore or attempt to refute him.

1. They're all stupid.

2. They're really not that afraid of getting ganked, because it's not as common as they claim.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#742 - 2013-09-01 20:18:20 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Care to link some of these killmails, or is this just another false claim like the one you made about freighters being suicide ganked by Bat Country every 20 minutes?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18471571&nolimit


And it was so profitable, too!


There was ~40 billion worth of stuff in those packages.
Dave Stark
#743 - 2013-09-01 20:19:11 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
S Byerley wrote:


You expecting free kills in highsec is unreasonable.


They aren't free.


His words; not mine.


even if it was literally a kill that cost 0 isk, the fact that you're unwilling to even attempt not to be ganked is why you deserve to be ganked.
Dave Stark
#744 - 2013-09-01 20:20:14 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
what type of PC you have is irrelevant.


It presumably limits how many cats you can box.


and that has 0 bearing on the discussion.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#745 - 2013-09-01 20:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Dave Stark wrote:
even if it was literally a kill that cost 0 isk, the fact that you're unwilling to even attempt not to be ganked is why you deserve to be ganked.


Pretty sure if they were making no effort there'd be a lot more freighters flying through lowsec. It's all relative and at the moment it's heavily skewed in favor of the gankers - one need not look farther than the respective incomes.

Dave Stark wrote:
and that has 0 bearing on the discussion.


Sure it does; you're whining about how coordinating 30 people is difficult and should be rewarded, but you're ignoring how easily ISBoxed the task is.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#746 - 2013-09-01 20:24:18 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Care to link some of these killmails, or is this just another false claim like the one you made about freighters being suicide ganked by Bat Country every 20 minutes?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18471571&nolimit


And it was so profitable, too!


There was ~40 billion worth of stuff in those packages.


But see, we'll have to take your word for it, since the KM says you made nothing on the deal. (I have no reason to doubt you, but since plastic wrap never lists contents on KMs, no one knows but the gankers.) It is, however, half the problem when these clowns come in here screaming about how much you make.

Then again, they probably do know, since they're the idiots putting so much value into their cargo hold.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#747 - 2013-09-01 20:25:17 UTC
im curious as to the smallest isk value cargo item that can fully fill a charon. (for the smallest cargo value of a completely filled ship)

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#748 - 2013-09-01 20:26:46 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
It can? Nothing else in the game comes remotely close to 300dps/m (except presumably free starter ships if you insist on being silly)


A Catalyst can't actually get 300dps/m, but here's something that can get 284dps/m:

[Atron, Atron fit]

[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[Empty High slot]

[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
Dave Stark
#749 - 2013-09-01 20:28:07 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
even if it was literally a kill that cost 0 isk, the fact that you're unwilling to even attempt not to be ganked is why you deserve to be ganked.


Pretty sure if they were making no effort there'd be a lot more freighters flying through lowsec. It's all relative and at the moment it's heavily skewed in favor of the gankers - one need not look farther than the respective incomes.

Dave Stark wrote:
and that has 0 bearing on the discussion.


Sure it does; you're whining about how coordinating 30 people is difficult and should be rewarded, but you're ignoring how easily ISBoxed the task is.


i didn't whine about how hard it was to coordinate 30 people at all, good luck finding that quote. i've not made a single comment on the difficulty of doing so.

again, isboxer is completely irrelevant to the thread. pretending it's relevant is hilarious and incorrect.

this i have to hear; how is it biased in favour of the gankers? really, this is going to be grade A stand up comedy material i can feel it.
Dave Stark
#750 - 2013-09-01 20:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Kusum Fawn wrote:
im curious as to the smallest isk value cargo item that can fully fill a charon. (for the smallest cargo value of a completely filled ship)


what's the lowest isk/m3 item in the game?
probably going to be shuttles i'm guessing.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#751 - 2013-09-01 20:30:07 UTC
S Byerley wrote:


Pretty sure if they were making no effort there'd be a lot more freighters flying through lowsec. It's all relative and at the moment it's heavily skewed in favor of the gankers - one need not look farther than the respective incomes.



Avoiding low sec isn't exactly 'making an effort,' ignoring that fact that freighter pilots do actually operate in low sec.

Low sec also reduces the need for gank ships from multiples to no more than two. In a successful high sec gank, all of the effort involved has been assumed by the ganker(s).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#752 - 2013-09-01 20:35:31 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Care to link some of these killmails, or is this just another false claim like the one you made about freighters being suicide ganked by Bat Country every 20 minutes?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18471571&nolimit


I stand corrected. It turns out we have ganked one webbed freighter out of several hundred.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#753 - 2013-09-01 20:42:42 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Mallak Azaria wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Care to link some of these killmails, or is this just another false claim like the one you made about freighters being suicide ganked by Bat Country every 20 minutes?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18471571&nolimit


I stand corrected. It turns out we have ganked one webbed freighter out of several hundred.


https://zkillboard.com/detail/31575769/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/29318221/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/30087140/
ect.

Domanique Altares wrote:
Avoiding low sec isn't exactly 'making an effort,' ignoring that fact that freighter pilots do actually operate in low sec.


Taking a significantly elongated route seems like considerable effort to me, especially considering the pay grade.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#754 - 2013-09-01 20:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
S Byerley wrote:
Sure it does; you're whining about how coordinating 30 people is difficult and should be rewarded, but you're ignoring how easily ISBoxed the task is.


If its so easy to do then why is no one actually doing it? Hey look, it's that question you've been ignoring again!

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#755 - 2013-09-01 20:46:05 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Care to link some of these killmails, or is this just another false claim like the one you made about freighters being suicide ganked by Bat Country every 20 minutes?


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18471571&nolimit


I stand corrected. It turns out we have ganked one webbed freighter out of several hundred.


https://zkillboard.com/detail/31575769/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/29318221/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/30087140/
ect.


Four out of several hundred, you're on a roll here. Now all you need to do is prove that we kill a freighter every 20 minutes to fully regain your credibility.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#756 - 2013-09-01 20:46:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If its so easy to do then why is no one actually doing it? Hey look, it's that question you've been ignoring again!


People are doing it?
Dave Stark
#757 - 2013-09-01 20:48:17 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If its so easy to do then why is no one actually doing it? Hey look, it's that question you've been ignoring again!


People are doing it?


at a rate of 1 freighter every 20 mins, right?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#758 - 2013-09-01 20:50:41 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If its so easy to do then why is no one actually doing it? Hey look, it's that question you've been ignoring again!


People are doing it?


Well you tell us, you're supposedly an expert on the subject. Tell us all about these people that scan, bump, gank, loot & salvage freighters solo.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#759 - 2013-09-01 20:52:32 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Well you tell us, you're supposedly an expert on the subject. Tell us all about these people that scan, bump, gank, loot & salvage freighters solo.


Being so obviously wrong makes you pretty incoherent I take it? Don't be flustered, I'm not judging.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#760 - 2013-09-01 20:54:06 UTC
S Byerley wrote:

Taking a significantly elongated route seems like considerable effort to me, especially considering the pay grade.


Adjusting your autopilot settings isn't effort.