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Eve Central Alternatives

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Mortaliton
Industrialist and Manufacturers Directorate
#1 - 2011-11-13 20:41:36 UTC
As teh name suggests im haveing a big issue with xml and eve central atm. I compare selling prices of 2 stations. Jita and Dodixie. Jita always has data just fine but even when i upload myself with the uploading client., hours later my xml query still returns all 0's. When i go to the site the info is there. just not given in xml queries i guess.

So are there any more reliable alternatives to eve central?

Mort.
Attoy Camow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-13 21:38:41 UTC
Mortaliton
Industrialist and Manufacturers Directorate
#3 - 2011-11-13 21:47:21 UTC
In your opinion what one is most reliable?
Attoy Camow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-13 22:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Attoy Camow
Mortaliton wrote:
In your opinion what one is most reliable?


They are good sites, if I remember well the Eve Marketeer uploader keeps updated the eve-marketdata.com site too.

edit: tbh when I need a price I check the prices on eve-marketdata.com AND eve marketeer :P
Mortaliton
Industrialist and Manufacturers Directorate
#5 - 2011-11-13 22:53:46 UTC
I might make 3 spreadsheets based of all sites. Unfortanatly each sheet i make has every single item in game. Ive already sunk 40 hours in this one and im not half done. Error checks. doesn't give false profit readings if xml returns 0. Long if statements that took me 3 hours to develop as a error check. Think my road just gor a little bump but i appreciate your input. Fly safe friend and thanks.

Mort.
Dragonaire
Here there be Dragons
#6 - 2011-11-14 05:17:49 UTC
First thing you need to do to make your life much easier by not try to do it with a spreadsheet in the first place but some kind of database where you would actually have the needed horsepower to work with the amount of data you'll have.

Finds camping stations from the inside much easier. Designer of Yapeal for the Eve API. Check out the Yapeal PHP API Library thread.

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#7 - 2011-11-14 11:00:33 UTC
Spreadsheets have their place, but when you get larger data sets, databases tend to be the way to go. Though you'll normally need to use something else to manage the data load into them. a scripting language like perl or php is a reasonable option. Easier to debug, too.

As for getting the data back out, in a usable form, a scripting language, or a suite like crystal reports (jasperserver is free. iReport isn't bad for writing the reports) helps. Or excel, as you can hook that up too.

You will need to know SQL though.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2011-11-14 21:13:21 UTC
Mortaliton wrote:
In your opinion what one is most reliable?


Varies from week to week. EMD has better reliability, but is currently down. EMK is a work in progress.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2011-11-14 21:16:05 UTC
Also, for little things - Google spreadsheets with the ImportXML() function perform wonderfully.

Great for planning out T1 production (ammo, drones, modules, ships) where it's easy to put 1 item per row and you can decide which regions to check for market prices.

T2 invention is a little trickier in a Google spreadsheet, but you can easily set something up to do 20-30 different items in the same sheet, then summarize it on a front page.
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-14 22:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Callean Drevus
Mortaliton wrote:
In your opinion what one is most reliable?


This depends, I'm fairly certain that EVE Marketeer has the most sophisticated upload checking and filtering system, so in that respect it would be the most reliable.

The only problem is that at this moment, the service itself is not as reliable (in development, things change, things break, and I'm not a very cautious or subtle coder, I'm sorry to say), meaning things like API queries that run periodically are better done against a different website.

EVE Central is always up, but filtering is nonexistent, everyone can upload bogus and break all orders.

If nothing else, I would request that you use my (EVE Marketeers) uploader though, since as someone already mentioned, it uploads to all websites, which means we all benefit.

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer

Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#11 - 2011-11-15 22:53:24 UTC
Callean Drevus wrote:
EVE Central is always up, but filtering is nonexistent, everyone can upload bogus and break all orders.

You think?
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-15 23:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Callean Drevus
Quote:
You think?

I know. The source code has been released to allow people to improve on EVE Central, though nobody is actually doing so (yet).

Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer

Enraged Stoat
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-16 08:03:59 UTC
I just launched a centralized market order update system, just came out of alpha test with some friends, it may be of interest so I'm posting...

You point it at a MySQL or MSSQL database.

It scrapes cache data from the market as you click in game and injects the buy/sell orders into the database (with some help from libevecache's dumper). Then syncs the orders with a central database, picking up universe wide data for you as it goes.

In simple terms...

1. You view the ingame market for "Raven" in "The Forge".
2. Wait a minute for sync.
3. Your local SQL database contains all known available public buy/sell orders for "Raven" from every region in the universe.

Notes...

1. Order sync data is compressed, 500 orders is about 50KB of data.
2. It syncs known active orders, it does not sync historical data, but history does build up in your local SQL database as orders disappear from the market.

Details here

Best way to get help/support is show up in the ingame channel - see the FAQ for details.
Swipular Goata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-11-16 13:03:19 UTC
This sounds great Enraged.

I'm going to download this today and check it out.

Is there a thread dedicated to discussing this?
Swipular Goata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-16 18:41:03 UTC
Enraged:

I tried to download your program but the zip file is corrupt.

Mortaliton
Industrialist and Manufacturers Directorate
#16 - 2011-11-16 19:00:04 UTC
http://www.essentialdatatools.com/products/objectfixzip/

Free zip repair tool. I haven't tried downloading it yet but a go couldn't hurt.

Mort.
Nari Neya
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#17 - 2011-11-16 19:36:03 UTC
Swipular Goata wrote:
Enraged:

I tried to download your program but the zip file is corrupt.


What you've used to unpack it?
("Windows explorer" is a wrong answer.)
Enraged Stoat
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-16 20:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Enraged Stoat
Urk sorry, no idea why the zip was corrupt. I have updated it with a less corrupt copy :)

There is no thread to discuss this yet, was waiting until it's a little more tested before announcing anything on the forums.

Feel free to drop into the ingame channel EveOrg.Net - see FAQ!
Or the irc channel #eve-dev on coldfront.net irc.

BTW Windows Explorer should unzip it, that's what was used to zip it OopsLol