EVE General Discussion

how can he find that boring 1 well placed bomb guarentees lots of killmails to be had :)

As long as it comes with a back end fix.

You may have 5 out of alliance standings in any direction (neg, neutral positive), but only 5

Make for some great roams (PVP)

Eve was like that once before. It didn't cause any heart attacks then.

If you dislike the blue donut, just don't be inside of it. The OP's suggestion wouldnt change much as coalitions, alliances and corps are indeed just labels, with some management tools attached. The richest spaces will always attract most players. If you don't want that, nobody is stopping you from scaling down, settle for less ISK and better options for small scale PVP in lowsec or NPC nullsec.

Wormholes are also a cozy place, maybe even moreso then lowsec, to get a sense of ownership as a small group. It requires more coordination and effort though, but not as much as to own vast stretches of nullsec and hold on to all those systems. I'd say there's plenty of choice as to the scale of PVP and conquest. This diversity is scale is Eve's strong point, not a weak one.

There once was an endeavor to 'break up the blob'.

If failed miserably. I've never been convinced because the concept was as ill conceived as it was the methods they attempted with which to implement it.

People always say "the way it is is the way it always will be" or "so and so will never work" or list some half-baked accepted truth they heard someone say on a forum once (my favorite: anything you do for a small group will always help the large. LOL)


I think exponential penalties to group sizes, limits to how many groups you can hold standings with and the like could be very good for the game.

Fact is that eve thrives off of chaos and disorder. 'The game' is to bring order to do that, even if it's an ordered feeding off of the chaotic nature. I watched more than once in my eve career a smaller group best a larger because solely because they were smaller and their tactics were those that could not be applied (matched) by the significantly larger entity.

From base group (corp/alliance) size, to standings restrictions, to logistics to gang/fleet structures... the sky is the limit. This is all 1's and 0's and we can do so much with it while retaining the sandbox.

If it's more difficult to do at a larger scale this will not prevent large groups or organizations. But it can give opportunity for smaller groups to capitalize on the further chaos that ensues. This is obvious, which is why when posed with good ideas the only response you'll hear is "it wont work". The idea itself will not be addressed on it's own merits.

The blue donut is stupid and it's born out of poor and stale mechanics. Those in it that insist upon it are either too unimaginative to realize a better way or biased as they don't wish their gameplay to change even if it means a better game.

Those who see inevitability and no other option need to realize it wasn't a natural evolution that brought us to where we are, it was the specific development of specific mechanics that permitted it. As is anything in a video game.

Amazing

You completely miss the point of his post, only reason he said *Nothing that's going to affect your lowsec alliance.* was to take a stab at TEST, not low sec itself.

I'am not surprised, Brutor should indeed know something about slavery.

I dont like idea of no alliances in EVE. But I would love to see some alliances to create something different. I have no problem that some alliances hold majority of the space, they worked for it they keep it, no problem. But I am supprised that to this day I have yet to see any alliance or any corp that has done something like opening doors for everyone and let trade flow overtake their section of space. I would love to trade with 0.0 corporations and haul goods to their space in their tradehubs though gates that their security forces guarding. If I go against their rules and pod some of their own, its permanent red flag for me. But as long as all is fine, I make ISK, Alliance make ISK and from trader to industrialist to carebear will flow to your alliance space bringing ISK for both.

Or

You can chose to guard your gates with 20 bubbles and 100 ships shooting at evey single person who tries to enter system and live lone, isolated life in your 1 000 system empire of 100 players and 5000 alts. (Just silly example, not really fact.)


My point of this is that as long as we still have this old pessimistic mindset about how things are in EVE. In 10 years people still rage on forums about carebears, nullbears and so on. Imagine EVE that has no security systems. Now imagine nowdays "high sec" that is not being policed or ruled by NPCs, instead we have some alliances that are so big and have resources and will do create their space like that and conditions to live in their space good enough and attractive enough for players to be there. A player driven sandbox.

'11 calling people noobs? You goons put on a bee t-shirt and all of a sudden you're imparting the wisdom of the ages.

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You say it so matter-of-fact-ly, yet you didn't even play the game when so many of the mechanics and structures we have today didn't exist.

Elaborate.
How? Why?