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Nick Kumamoto
Doomheim
#681 - 2013-09-01 14:06:05 UTC
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec.
Normally just say, dont carrie that much in a Freighter or Jumpfreighter but that is not the reason for beeing ganked, its just because its so easy. The Price of a Rhea for example is around 6.5 Billions and has around 300k EHP with Jump Freighter Skill Level 5.
17 Brutix kill this Ship without any risk worth around 1 Billion.
Even 25 Catalysts can destroy a Jump freighter in 0.5 Systems (around 560 DPS for 25 Seconds -> 14k+ Dmg *25 = 350k Dmg).
The Price of one Catalyst is around 12 mio full fittet (t2 with dmg rigs). So you have around 300 million loss for a guranteered Jump Freighter Kill a normal Freighter has less than 200k EHP and will be killed more easier.

Additional every ******* ISBoxer user can build up his own ganking squad like nothing. This combination was seen for example in 1.0 Systems with around 20 tornados between Jita and Amarr. Yes it was an ISBoxer, he was really stupid so he tried to smack in local and every of his alts did the same at the same second.

Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself.


LOL - if you for a second think they gank for profit you are probably wrong. Most of the time it is is for the "shiggles", the tears and the outright fun of just being able to do something "because I/we can". Call it emergent gameplay since what they are then creating is a market (and secondary) for freighters to built and sold.

Did you forget rule #1 of EVE? There is no such thing as safe space.

Most of what I write in terms of posts and/or comments is meant as "tongue-in-cheek", i.e. part irony, part sarcasm but meant in good fun.

On a more serious note. I want to marry CCP karkur. Is there a EVE dating service I can call?

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#682 - 2013-09-01 14:09:57 UTC
Nick Kumamoto wrote:
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
Because of all the small Ship buffs, Freighter and Jump freighter become really easy to gank in the High Sec.
Normally just say, dont carrie that much in a Freighter or Jumpfreighter but that is not the reason for beeing ganked, its just because its so easy. The Price of a Rhea for example is around 6.5 Billions and has around 300k EHP with Jump Freighter Skill Level 5.
17 Brutix kill this Ship without any risk worth around 1 Billion.
Even 25 Catalysts can destroy a Jump freighter in 0.5 Systems (around 560 DPS for 25 Seconds -> 14k+ Dmg *25 = 350k Dmg).
The Price of one Catalyst is around 12 mio full fittet (t2 with dmg rigs). So you have around 300 million loss for a guranteered Jump Freighter Kill a normal Freighter has less than 200k EHP and will be killed more easier.

Additional every ******* ISBoxer user can build up his own ganking squad like nothing. This combination was seen for example in 1.0 Systems with around 20 tornados between Jita and Amarr. Yes it was an ISBoxer, he was really stupid so he tried to smack in local and every of his alts did the same at the same second.

Please give the freighter and Jump Freighter Pilots a chance to survive in High Sec. They should still be killable by suizid gankers, but it must be in a way that the costs to gank these Ships must be the same than the costs of the ganked ship itself.


LOL - if you for a second think they gank for profit you are probably wrong. Most of the time it is is for the "shiggles", the tears and the outright fun of just being able to do something "because I/we can". Call it emergent gameplay since what they are then creating is a market (and secondary) for freighters to built and sold.

Did you forget rule #1 of EVE? There is no such thing as safe space.


We dont spend a trillion isk on ***** and giggles. Its all for profit.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#683 - 2013-09-01 14:12:49 UTC
Quote:

You realise if they want to kill you, there's no precaution you can take. Scout on the gate. Gank squad somewhere else. They'll bump you with a neutral BS til the squad arrives and you're dead. You've just been lucky.


You are more likely to be struck by lightning than have your freighter ganked.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#684 - 2013-09-01 14:15:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

You realise if they want to kill you, there's no precaution you can take. Scout on the gate. Gank squad somewhere else. They'll bump you with a neutral BS til the squad arrives and you're dead. You've just been lucky.


You are more likely to be struck by lightning than have your freighter ganked.

That's what he wants you to think..... :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#685 - 2013-09-01 14:19:51 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:

You realise if they want to kill you, there's no precaution you can take. Scout on the gate. Gank squad somewhere else. They'll bump you with a neutral BS til the squad arrives and you're dead. You've just been lucky.


You are more likely to be struck by lightning than have your freighter ganked.

That's what he wants you to think..... :)

No we ran the numbers and it really is more dangerous to be a golfer in florida.
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#686 - 2013-09-01 15:06:52 UTC
you and I have different numbers then!
Chinicata Shihari
Perkone
Caldari State
#687 - 2013-09-01 15:13:13 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
you and I have different numbers then!

No its true. As long as you aren't dumb then you won't get ganked.
We gank freighters which have double wraps in them because its like the lottery whether it will be a nice drop.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#688 - 2013-09-01 15:16:57 UTC
Red Frog Rufen wrote:
you and I have different numbers then!


Your average freighter flying smart has such a low chance of being ganked its almost nil. Its the stupid ones that die all the time.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#689 - 2013-09-01 15:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
it is
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19441611
only yesterday 3 Freighters where ganked by Pizza with catalysts and they asked a lot of ransom.
A thypoon was bumping all the freighters/ jump freighters and asked for ransom.
Even this freighter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19440276
was killed by them because it dosnt cost them anything really worthfull (sec status is for an 00 alliance not a problem and of course you can buy it easy after the last patch if you need it)


A jump freighter that is being bumped can jump out of the system, that is, if he wasn't AFK in the first place. You still haven't answered my question; If suicide ganking freighters is so easy & profitable, why aren't more than a few groups doing it?


AFAIK you can't jump if your ship moves. And you can disable jump drive with warp scrambler.

Looks I have to keep my freighters on station from now on. That "don't carry more than 1 bil worth in cargohold" useless now.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#690 - 2013-09-01 16:24:22 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lucy Hastmena wrote:
it is
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19441611
only yesterday 3 Freighters where ganked by Pizza with catalysts and they asked a lot of ransom.
A thypoon was bumping all the freighters/ jump freighters and asked for ransom.
Even this freighter
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19440276
was killed by them because it dosnt cost them anything really worthfull (sec status is for an 00 alliance not a problem and of course you can buy it easy after the last patch if you need it)


A jump freighter that is being bumped can jump out of the system, that is, if he wasn't AFK in the first place. You still haven't answered my question; If suicide ganking freighters is so easy & profitable, why aren't more than a few groups doing it?


AFAIK you can't jump if your ship moves. And you can disable jump drive with warp scrambler.

Looks I have to keep my freighters on station from now on. That "don't carry more than 1 bil worth in cargohold" useless now.


You can jump to a cyno if your ship is moving (seriously, how can you people not know this?). They aren't going to warp scramble you if they're bumping you, unless there's a bunch of Cats/Brutix/Talos sitting on you already & it's too late by that point.

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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#691 - 2013-09-01 16:28:54 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
They aren't going to warp scramble you if they're bumping you


Arazu/Lachesis + link Protei
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#692 - 2013-09-01 16:33:12 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
They aren't going to warp scramble you if they're bumping you


Arazu/Lachesis + link Protei


You expect them to throw away an Arazu every 10 seconds until they can get the ganking ships in position?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#693 - 2013-09-01 16:41:53 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
They aren't going to warp scramble you if they're bumping you


Arazu/Lachesis + link Protei


You expect them to throw away an Arazu every 10 seconds until they can get the ganking ships in position?


This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system, even though this completely defeats the purpose of bumping in the first place. You heard it from Tobias Hareka, some highsec guy.

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#694 - 2013-09-01 16:51:44 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system


But but... cost isn't a balancing factor.
Dave Stark
#695 - 2013-09-01 16:53:59 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system


But but... cost isn't a balancing factor.


we weren't talking about balance.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#696 - 2013-09-01 16:58:55 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system


But but... cost isn't a balancing factor.


we weren't talking about balance.


We were though?
Dave Stark
#697 - 2013-09-01 16:59:44 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system


But but... cost isn't a balancing factor.


we weren't talking about balance.


We were though?


we weren't.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#698 - 2013-09-01 17:04:10 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
S Byerley wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This just in: Highsec suicide gankers will throw away a T2 Recon every 10 seconds to stop your JF from jumping out of the system


But but... cost isn't a balancing factor.


we weren't talking about balance.


We were though?


we weren't.


Pretty sure we were.
Dave Stark
#699 - 2013-09-01 17:05:12 UTC
S Byerley wrote:
Pretty sure we were.


and people used to be pretty sure the earth was flat.

the thing you have in common with them is; being wrong.
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#700 - 2013-09-01 17:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: S Byerley
Dave Stark wrote:
and people used to be pretty sure the earth was flat.


Pretty sure they weren't: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Guess you just can't win today?