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A Real Criticism of CCP

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2013-08-31 19:35:50 UTC
Akemi Kashada wrote:
Two things: LP still a kind of currency and a measure of value. And you can blind youself as much as you want, people take that into account in estabilishing prices. I do that, everyone does that to earn ISK. There is a point where you cant rise prices of similar itens or products they reprocess into, because it gets easier to get the LP to buy them from NPCs.
…except that in the vast majority of cases, you can't actually use those mechanisms to produce any new minerals or items, since they require trade-ins. So the moment you raise the prices for the items themselves, it also becomes more costly to buy them from LP stores and that cost is at best equal to the market cost if you ignore the value of the LP.

At best, LP stores simply provide a floor for how low faction item prices can go, but they don't affect how much the base items (or the materials that go into them) cost.

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Second, and more obscured it seems, you CAN sell or buy for any price you want, but this is not drive the market. If you have NPCs selling something that isnt player made, that can in turn be used to create trade itens, sold or reprocessed, and it has a fixed value and infinite supply, you are taking away the ability of players to define its supply and price as a whole in the player base. If you can still acquire those itens without any player making them or selling them in the first place, you have non player controlled market.
The thing is that nothing that NPCs sell these days refine into any appreciable or useful amount of minerals, and they don't sell anything that is also player-made. So the market for anything other than the odd (and useless) trade good is entirely controlled by the players.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2013-08-31 19:40:05 UTC
Eraza wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
The amount of people not actually reading the first post is staggering.

For what it's worth, i agree that there need to be more consequences to random ganking. Or rather, there should be consequences in the first place.

Strangely enough, gankers and griefers are preaching 'eve is hard, deal with it', but when faced with possibl consequences for their currently ridiculously easy and safe playstyle they suddenly whine and cry about "carebears being catered to". I would tell them to look up the word 'hypocricy', but i think that would only result in their tiny brains being unable face the facts and instead resorting to random insults.


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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#103 - 2013-08-31 20:24:44 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the ultimate best defense against ganking.


Go gank for a couple weeks. Learn the mechanics of operating in highsec as an outlaw.

Once you've learned the mechanics, go back to mining, and realise how easy it is to dodge a gank.



Here's a freebie for you. Ganking with an outlaw character requires the use of a scout. The scout's job is to cuddle up next to your barge, and provide a warp-in. When you see someone getting too close, leave. This however, requires you be ATK and paying attention.


The last time I tried mining i did this concurrently. Gank and mine. Gank and mine. Then kill incursion belt rats for sec status gain. During Hulkagheddon.

Although I tend to disagree with the last part. When I did ganking last summer there was no venture. You can now passive scan with a venture and miners will never be the wiser, and you can do it as they undock, not in the belt. You can mark the belt in any covert ops ship and they will never ever know.

And its not very easy to dodge a gank that uses a venture, hound, and tornado. Well more to the point you win or lose Eve in the fitting window. If you have less EHP than a tornado has alpha, you lose, or if you have less than double the EHP a tornado has alpha in .5 or .6 you lose before the fight starts unless th4e ganker makes a critical error.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Ressiv
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2013-08-31 20:43:02 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

If it was only a game, tears would not matter. They matter precisely because it's not a just a game.


..then what else it it in your oppinion ?


Tears dont matter .. but they taste good. It's always fun to hear grownups act like 6 again over spaceship pixels. It's just priceless to watch some dude go beserk over ultimately, his* own stupidity.

* or her.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#105 - 2013-08-31 21:36:49 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

If it was only a game, tears would not matter. They matter precisely because it's not a just a game.


..then what else it it in your oppinion ?


Tears dont matter .. but they taste good. It's always fun to hear grownups act like 6 again over spaceship pixels. It's just priceless to watch some dude go beserk over ultimately, his* own stupidity.

* or her.


Someone will have to gank you good. Lol
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#106 - 2013-08-31 21:51:28 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

If it was only a game, tears would not matter. They matter precisely because it's not a just a game.


..then what else it it in your oppinion ?


Tears dont matter .. but they taste good. It's always fun to hear grownups act like 6 again over spaceship pixels. It's just priceless to watch some dude go beserk over ultimately, his* own stupidity.

* or her.


Just read yourself. There you are, a grownup scorning like a 6 other grownups because they behave like a 6 after their "stupidity", in your opinion.

If it's only a game, why you worry so much on how those people react differently to you, or how they are not as cunning as yourself according to you?

Does it matter, or doesn't matter?

It's a game or it's not just a game?

Or maybe you have an habit of feeling superior because of games?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-08-31 21:53:44 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
stuff


Please tell me how forcing industrialists to gtfo of h-sec and work together with pew-pew buddies in order to provide their content is bad for EVE ?



Bolded a clue for you
slaughtered Lamb
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2013-08-31 22:30:51 UTC
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
Yes, Ganking without consequence is a bad game mechanic...


Last I checked we get Concorded and I am a free target for everyone everywhere.


Ahh yes, Concord. The epitome of fat, lazy, doughnut eating cops in the whole unimultisystemverse!

My cat is more useful, and she gets her tail caught in the jump gates! Sad

If you are allowed to be a murdering, thieving, scamming, killing, stealing, lying bastard..... Why aren't we allowed to cheat?

Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2013-08-31 22:34:24 UTC
slaughtered Lamb wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
Yes, Ganking without consequence is a bad game mechanic...


Last I checked we get Concorded and I am a free target for everyone everywhere.


Ahh yes, Concord. The epitome of fat, lazy, doughnut eating cops in the whole unimultisystemverse!

My cat is more useful, and she gets her tail caught in the jump gates! Sad


So you would be fine with Concord being removed?
slaughtered Lamb
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2013-08-31 22:37:18 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jonathan Peak wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
I post on my main, gank on my main, & you cry on your alt, and claim something is wrong.

R
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Welcome to New Eden. HTFU


I think you missed his point.


How so?

Im saying miners have plenty of chance to fight back. Or industrialists. I consider them 2 groups, and the "industrialists" who mine for themselves to be quite fail.

The last one cried in eve mail, PM'ed me, had his boy pm me, hired mercs (to counter my war dec), had the mercs PM me, threatened to make this character unplayable if I didn't pay extortion, and then ran for 7 days when I fought back. I heard the point he was trying to make and found it to be laughable.


And did you follow it up by sending him your real life home address? No? OMG you chicken! Twisted

If you are allowed to be a murdering, thieving, scamming, killing, stealing, lying bastard..... Why aren't we allowed to cheat?

slaughtered Lamb
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2013-08-31 22:37:54 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
slaughtered Lamb wrote:
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
Yes, Ganking without consequence is a bad game mechanic...


Last I checked we get Concorded and I am a free target for everyone everywhere.


Ahh yes, Concord. The epitome of fat, lazy, doughnut eating cops in the whole unimultisystemverse!

My cat is more useful, and she gets her tail caught in the jump gates! Sad


So you would be fine with Concord being removed?


May as well, they are useless. Smile

If you are allowed to be a murdering, thieving, scamming, killing, stealing, lying bastard..... Why aren't we allowed to cheat?

Tara Read
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#112 - 2013-09-01 02:02:57 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#113 - 2013-09-01 02:14:10 UTC
Tara Read wrote:

Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.



Eh.....this is kinda' awkward.


I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.

Tara Read
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#114 - 2013-09-01 02:17:28 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Tara Read wrote:

Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.



Eh.....this is kinda' awkward.




No no! Dont do it! Lol. Everyone has flaws man. I just hate this whole you are x type of player so you must fail at rl excuse. It's tiresome and blatantly immature.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#115 - 2013-09-01 02:21:05 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...

i had my three supermodel mensa-member girlfriends look his post over and they agree it's hard to tell whether he's saying 'tear harvesters' or 'tear faucets' are the mentioned failures. dude uses too many bloody commas. he's wrong, in any case.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#116 - 2013-09-01 02:22:17 UTC
Tear inflation

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Tara Read
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#117 - 2013-09-01 03:48:42 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...

i had my three supermodel mensa-member girlfriends look his post over and they agree it's hard to tell whether he's saying 'tear harvesters' or 'tear faucets' are the mentioned failures. dude uses too many bloody commas. he's wrong, in any case.


Can I have a pic of said girlfriends? Come on man don't hold out on us. Share the love! Cool Personally I prefer voluptuous redheads who are older....
Renault T'Bonin
Doomheim
#118 - 2013-09-01 07:21:57 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...

i had my three supermodel mensa-member girlfriends look his post over and they agree it's hard to tell whether he's saying 'tear harvesters' or 'tear faucets' are the mentioned failures. dude uses too many bloody commas. he's wrong, in any case.


Can I have a pic of said girlfriends? Come on man don't hold out on us. Share the love! Cool Personally I prefer voluptuous redheads who are older....


You aren't going to be happy with women from Mensa... just don't go there.
Tara Read
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#119 - 2013-09-01 08:53:46 UTC
Renault T'Bonin wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...

i had my three supermodel mensa-member girlfriends look his post over and they agree it's hard to tell whether he's saying 'tear harvesters' or 'tear faucets' are the mentioned failures. dude uses too many bloody commas. he's wrong, in any case.


Can I have a pic of said girlfriends? Come on man don't hold out on us. Share the love! Cool Personally I prefer voluptuous redheads who are older....


You aren't going to be happy with women from Mensa... just don't go there.


drat!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#120 - 2013-09-01 09:11:38 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
As for tears, there are a lot of people playing this game who are competent but have failed in RL, so they pour a lot of effort in the game to be good at something, to make them feel better, the ones who go on about harvesting tears on every post, go after that type of player as they know it has a RL impact, personally I find their denials rather tiring.


Are you serious? I drive a 2013 Chevy Camaro, have a job that pays me 100k a year, plus 401k, retirement, medical, dental. I am happily married and in good health at the ripe old age of 25.

I also never mission and use plex to fund my criminal activity. I own over 20 billion in hulls alone all for the sole purpose of destruction. Again please tell me how I fail at life when I'm not the one shooting rocks all day and failing how to learn game mechanics.

Dont interject the rl card unless you are prepared to look like an ass. Point being is I'm certain there are many successful carebears irl just as much as any other play style in this game. So please don't even try to use that as an excuse...


I should improve my use of comma's, but anyway I am pointing out that the tear gatherers go after people who are trying to prove something in game because they have failed in RL as they have the biggest reaction to loss. I have analysed quite a few griefing threads in C&P and had a good look at some of the targets and how people see them. C&P is a good resource if you can cut through the chaff.

Oh and Tara, good to see you are doing well.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp