Player Features and Ideas Discussion

DCU II for Jump freighters?

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EDIT: ppl would waste that slot for a cargo expander anyways...

This. Just because people chose to fly them without an escort doesn't mean that that is how they should be flown. It's like cap ships in as much as neither are they supposed to be flown solo. Some people chose to and some people manage to get away with it but those that fly with a sub cap escort tend to be significantly safer.

Go away freighters are already plenty hard to gank a DCU would make them neigh impossible to gank.
its /0.4 multiplier. that's 150% more ehp on hull meaning 400k ehp
I'm only ok with this if we first nerf ehp to 50k first.

Stupid carebears that want to be safe.
No ship with large cargo should be impossible to gank.
The concord spawn on fully tanked JF with DCU and bulks would probably drop the node.

Slots are fine if some changes will be made to freighters:

Med slots:
- reduced shield hitpoints
- reduced speed

Low slots:
- reduced cargo capacity
- reduced armor and hull hitpoints
- reduced agility

Actually it's nerf to freighters.

With only two low slots you will lose speed (yes, I forgot about overdrives ), cargo capacity, agility and most importantly tank. You can't gain all that back with just two modules.

Freighters could fit packaged carriers and dreadnoughts if they were allowed to fit cargohold expanders.

Wow, do you gankers cry a lot.

There has been an awful lot of people in the Industrial rebalance thread commenting that ships can be fit with more tank in return for less cargo. Why not let Freighter pilots make that same choice?

You already have Teir 3 BC's, stupidly high DPS from Catalysts, Tags For Sec Status, Industrials (the max cargo ones, meaning every Iteron V currently flying) being made easier to gank by a Dev who doesn't know a damned thing about hauling, faction navies & Concord who allow you to fly through hisec with -10 sec status without podding you, cargo & ship scanners to make sure that your target has enough loot to pay for your gank, attacking other players from a noob corp so you don't have to worry about te haulers/industrialists you prey upon actually doing something to retaliate against you in return for you blowing up their ships & stealing their cargo, and now you're whining about the possibility of a DC II-fit freighter?

How about you grow a pair, throw down the heavier firepower needed to gank what will probably be a more valuable cargo (which, thanks to scanners, you'll already know in advance) and accept some real RISK to go along with your reward.

HTFU, YOU PANSIES! Stop whining and crying that "you don't want your fun ruined", my God, you gankers love to brag about 'harvesting tears', but, as soon as someone proposes making YOUR fun a little more challenging, you cry loudest of all.

Every freighter should have 1 low slot. Thats enough for anything really: speed, tank, cargo ect.

I'm glad you found this thread.

I'll give you that the "can't fire until fired upon" does negate the example somewhat but you'd need an Alpha of >150,000HP (roughly estimated from EVElopedia on a Fenrir of base structure and armour combined) now I don't know the size of gang required of the top of my head but that's a lot of ships piling in that DPS. Remote Reps & Escorts would be able to repair and engage after the first volley has been fired along with Concord (if traveling in Hi-Sec) and Gate Guns.

now some will say "why should I have to have an escort" and my answer would be don't...but don't expect to keep a ship that big for very long. Can't afford to lose it then don't fly it and if you have no module slots then fly smart...fly with an escort or grab an Orca.

50 ships declared above is more than enough, even overkill. Freighters are usually destroyed with one volley, as far as I've seen. In this case escort won't help much, and even gang links are almost useless since most hp is in structure(they can probably bring armor up to the same level, though).