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Gnosis manipulation

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Arch Stanton's Neighbour
Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc
#21 - 2013-08-18 03:25:21 UTC
Samroski wrote:

"Ever" seems so final! I expected these to hit the figure 2-3 years down the line, though after your comment I feel like revising the the ETA to 2018.


Eh... just like genolutions? Like when they became popular and then where getting scarce suddenly genolutions for everyone? I really pity anyone who had stocked them up, and I'm glad I didn't and certainly won't be stockign any "unique" items in the future because ccp might just decide to make more.

Samroski wrote:
As an aside: nearly 50k Gnoses have been traded at Jita to date, representing about 10% of the total. Not sure how many have been lost.


Idk if that's true (not gonna bother to check) but if it is then yes there are untold stocks of those ships in the hangars of players that didn't bother to sell them and they will take a loooong time to rise.

Currently their price is in line with t1 bcs which is about as much as it's worth for pvp - a mediocre bc that can be shoehorned into pretty much any doctrine for players that lack specific skills. If they ever become scarce people will simply stop using them for pvp, t2 or faction bcs would be much better if the gnosis had the same price.

TLDR mediocre pvp ship, untold amounts exist, ccp might just decide to seed more, bad long term investment.
Zetrick
Gh0st of Eden
Parallaxis Alliance
#22 - 2013-08-18 07:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zetrick
Im really confused as to why some people think this ship is useless. Maybe its because you are traders who don't undock and know nothing about PvP.

Gnosis is awesome, hence why people are using use them. Not saying its good looking though.!

There are a few things on this fit i would change but for raw stats its pretty awesome.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67218-DiaGnosis-Murder.html
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65787-Gnosis-PvP-with-up-to-70-282k-ehp-and-825-dps.html

*links fixed

Z
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#23 - 2013-08-18 08:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Archibald Thistlewaite III
Zetrick wrote:
Im really confused as to why some people think this ship is useless. Maybe its because you are traders who don't undock and know nothing about PvP.

Gnosis is awesome, hence why people are using use them. Not saying its good looking though.!

There are a few things on this fit i would change but for raw stats its pretty awesome.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67218-DiaGnosis-Murder.html
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65787-Gnosis-PvP-with-up-to-70-282k-ehp-and-825-dps.html

Z


You might want to fix your links.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#24 - 2013-08-19 11:05:37 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
5 round BP slap in your face...


Christmass will surely bring another 5 run BPC or single ship gift, Gnosis profits are staying down for good if you ask me as CCP will make the BPC a drop in exploration sites.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-08-20 01:35:42 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
arabella blood wrote:
5 round BP slap in your face...


Christmass will surely bring another 5 run BPC or single ship gift, Gnosis profits are staying down for good if you ask me as CCP will make the BPC a drop in exploration sites.


Yeah, well, when the famous words "we want everyone to have a rare ship", or something similar thereto, you had to appreciate the truly epic fail within those words.

However, at least we'll see what the base mineral cost of a Gnosis is when those BPC's begin to enter the game -- both through the CE and quite likely as an Xmas gift, and/or as an addition to seeded loot.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#26 - 2013-08-20 05:22:12 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
I HOPE TO have a considerable gnosis stack



Fixed. Right now I just have a pyle. I have no problems with disclosure.

Careby wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:
...For a ship that will never have a BPO and will effectively, for all intents & purposes, disappear from the game, 65mil is an incredibly solid buy...

I must have missed an announcement. Did CCP ever say the Gnosis was a limited, one-time release?



Yes. It's listed as a "special edition" ship which means there will be no further runs in the future.


Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#27 - 2013-08-22 17:39:47 UTC
It's a really good noob ship. Not to be confused with a really good Alt ship. As such it doesn't really do well in EVE.

R.I.P. Vile Rat

HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-08-22 21:40:47 UTC

Quote:




Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.


Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-08-22 23:02:49 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:

Quote:




Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.


Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?


Sarum Magnate.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#30 - 2013-08-22 23:11:02 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
HeXxploiT wrote:

Quote:




Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.


Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?


Sarum Magnate.


Ishukone Watch Scorpion.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#31 - 2013-08-23 12:48:34 UTC
The wormhole exploration ship, got that as a Christmas gift. Faction pos gear.
Tivook OneManSlave
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-08-23 13:41:56 UTC
This post may or may not increase the prices of Gnosis in Jita but I strongly doubt they'll make more of them.

The main reason for that is not just that the ship is special, it's also specified on the Collectors Edition page that:

"Gnosis Battlecruiser Blueprint, a five-run blueprint copy of the impressive 10th Anniversary gift ship."

To release more 10th anniversary gift ships wouldn't be fair because then it wouldn't be a 10th anniversary gift ship anymore.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-08-23 20:49:24 UTC
What would you pay to bypass training of battlecruiser V from the very beginning of a day one alt?

Gnosis speeds your access to some stuff by approximately one month. It has plenty of intrinsic value. The only thing that keeps the price down is the overflowing supply and lack of gnosis usage/explosions.

Compare it to cerebral accelerators. They speed your access to stuff by a week and cost 150-200m a piece due to relative lack of supply. Before the introduction of them through steam, the price was at 300M range and they sold quick.

Gnosis is a good long term investment but not worth it if you want liquidity.
Slade Silvers
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#34 - 2013-08-25 16:19:20 UTC
At 65m it's a fair bet over the long haul that you will turn a profit, but as others have said... it's really not that good of a ship comparatively, although it's a beautiful ship to look at IMO.

I've flown them on many characters and although the specs look good, they just don't tank well at all and the CPU is a challenge.

I wouldn't expect it to have a use value increase, more a rarity value increase if many were destroyed.

The thing is, there are so many other better bets out there for increasing your ISK over time.
Just Lilly
#35 - 2013-08-25 16:39:55 UTC
5 run copy blueprint pretty much will undo anything special about the ship in itself.

Yes you will be able to fly the thing asap...but, you will still need the support skills to fit it.
By the time you have the skills to be successful, there will be a Drake or Cane around the corner to take it's place.



But, that's just my opinion, I might be missing out on a bigger picture or something Cool
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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-08-26 03:10:42 UTC
Zetrick wrote:
I have thought for a while now that someone has been keeping the prices down on the Gnosis market in Jita. There has always been large quantity's put up around 62-63m which seems to have kept the price down. Yesterday though all these large quantity orders were removed and for the first time in a while the Gnosis market is spiking upwards.

I can only presume the trader/traders want to cash in on there manipulation, might see Gnosis's hitting 100m+ in the not so distant future.

Z


Yes because prices sky rocket on items when people know in a few weeks thousands of players will be getting 5 run BPC's of an item right?
Zane Lowe
Our Sanctum
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-08-26 17:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zane Lowe
wrote:

Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.


There are no "limited" edition ships, all the non-buildable ships are special edition. As far as I can tell CCP has never said "there are only this many of this ship and we will never introduce more" Some people claim AT ships will never be re-introduced, but I would not be surprised to see them re-issued for later ATs.
Barron Hammerstrike
Medusa Nova Mining And Trade
#38 - 2013-08-28 21:44:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
...As it become more rare, demand will only decrease...


This is where I stopped reading.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-08-29 10:08:31 UTC
Tivook OneManSlave wrote:
This post may or may not increase the prices of Gnosis in Jita but I strongly doubt they'll make more of them.

The main reason for that is not just that the ship is special, it's also specified on the Collectors Edition page that:

"Gnosis Battlecruiser Blueprint, a five-run blueprint copy of the impressive 10th Anniversary gift ship."

To release more 10th anniversary gift ships wouldn't be fair because then it wouldn't be a 10th anniversary gift ship anymore.

cry me a river.

The 5 year anniversary gift was the Apotheosis and it was given out as part of PLEX deals, to promote the Buddy Invite program, ...

.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-08-29 12:37:20 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:

Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?

Not difficult to find at all: the 2011 Christmas presents which included the option of getting a Zephyr, Primae and Echelon .

Furthermore, you seem blissfully unaware, that 5 run BPCs of the Gnosis will be optainable from the Eve Collector's Edition, meaning; there will always be a source of supply for new ships. Unlike other 'Special Edition' ships, the Gnosis will never become "rare".

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

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