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Fortress Sahtogas - CCP Intervention Required
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#41 - 2013-08-27 17:22:46 UTC
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Lamya Fox wrote:
I seriously contemplated resubbing my Main just to post this.
So ya go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for taking Saht with no one defending it. We all know exactly when push comes to shove who gets pushed and who gets shoved.
AVNG.


Really?

http://biohazardcorp.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8420

That's all what there is left of the amarr rightnow, the rest became forum warriors I notice here.
The organization amongst the minmatar corps/alliances proves once again... it's simply better ..


Ah I'm only forum warrioring (is that even a word) in breaks at work. In eve mostly I blow you all up, or sometimes I blow up. but to be fair mostly it's minnys blowing up. I'm only recently back though so you never no, this time I may get my arse handed to me over and over by you winmatar blokeys and you'll have shown me how wrong I am and I will be full of shame and probably commit in game suicide.

Or not...

What you have successfully done is beaten an enemy that didn't even turn up.

/Slow clap

Welcome to modern FW. Where the greatest forces never get to actually fight because the other side is burned out. Where the **** talking is now king and we are all about as eve relevant as a bears fart in the woods.

Anyway, less talk more pew I guess. These forum banters are fun and all but all that ends up happening is people splurging bollocks and big propaganda wars. I'm sure when I stand over your alliances smouldering wreck the excuse will be 'yeah but we didn't turn up' too :D

*disclaimer, I may or may not actually stand over your alliances smouldering corpse but in my head it sounded cool (and said in that deep gruff movie trailer voice it was pretty awesome...).
Lamya Fox
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-08-27 18:48:46 UTC
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Lamya Fox wrote:
I seriously contemplated resubbing my Main just to post this.
So ya go ahead and pat yourselves on the back for taking Saht with no one defending it. We all know exactly when push comes to shove who gets pushed and who gets shoved.
AVNG.


Really?

http://biohazardcorp.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8420

That's all what there is left of the amarr rightnow, the rest became forum warriors I notice here.
The organization amongst the minmatar corps/alliances proves once again... it's simply better ..


son........sit down.......let me show you what you would be up against IF AVNG gave a damn about Sahtogas anymore.

By the Way Arzad fell four weeks after that 'siege'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaV5nrjV2KA

Oh and less I forget the mandatory remeber the Dalamo Vid......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A


Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#43 - 2013-08-27 19:41:37 UTC
Lamya Fox wrote:

son........sit down.......let me show you what you would be up against IF AVNG gave a damn about Sahtogas anymore.

By the Way Arzad fell four weeks after that 'siege'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaV5nrjV2KA

Oh and less I forget the mandatory remeber the Dalamo Vid......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A


AVNG killed 38 'ships' in August. according to eve-kill. Let me sit down and laugh lol Roll

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Lamya Fox
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-08-27 19:43:50 UTC
/me facepalms
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#45 - 2013-08-27 20:47:25 UTC
Can I join the circlejerk with Sirekur? It's never even been vulnerable, even though it had a few instances it had a close brush with 90%+ contested.

Rifterlings is the best Minmatar corp like you fools have no idea.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#46 - 2013-08-27 23:08:51 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Can I join the circlejerk with Sirekur? It's never even been vulnerable, even though it had a few instances it had a close brush with 90%+ contested.

Rifterlings is the best Minmatar corp like you fools have no idea.


Is that like being the best turd in the toilet?

















I jest! actually most rifterlings I meet when doing solo/small gang stuff are pretty cool.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#47 - 2013-08-27 23:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
Aslon Seridith wrote:
Lamya Fox wrote:

son........sit down.......let me show you what you would be up against IF AVNG gave a damn about Sahtogas anymore.

By the Way Arzad fell four weeks after that 'siege'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaV5nrjV2KA

Oh and less I forget the mandatory remeber the Dalamo Vid......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsHwOrmq9A


AVNG killed 38 'ships' in August. according to eve-kill. Let me sit down and laugh lol Roll


let me sit you down and reiterate. IF AVNG gave a ****. or any amarr fw corp for that matter. congrats on gettin saht with zero resistance

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#48 - 2013-08-28 01:10:54 UTC
Flyinghotpocket Minmatar? Sayeth whaaaaa???
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#49 - 2013-08-28 01:35:35 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Flyinghotpocket Minmatar? Sayeth whaaaaa???

npc corp while i extract out of sahtogas.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#50 - 2013-08-28 16:31:18 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
Is that like being the best turd in the toilet?

Pretty much.

Wait no, I meant to say...

THE SIREKUR FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE SHALL NEVER FALL, FEEBLE SLAVERS!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
cearaen
Plus 10 NV
#51 - 2013-08-28 17:21:41 UTC
David Devant wrote:
A bit of both. FW is flawed. But you'd be a fool to think that the Minnie/Amarr theatre is the way it is because of economics. Your militia (certainly in the EU) is presently a dead loss, that's not because of farmers it's because of a lack of organisation and leadership.



Lead them to what? Massive plex farming expeditions?

The number of people that care was never high, and keeps dropping.

The current sov mechanics do seem to suit the minmatar more than the amarr.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#52 - 2013-08-28 21:13:45 UTC
I haven't really paid much attention to FW stuff in the past 3-4 months, but I heard that the Minnies finally took Sahtogas so I wanted to say congratulations.

The moar you cry the less you pee
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-08-28 21:17:43 UTC
We miss you...
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#54 - 2013-08-28 22:04:32 UTC
David Devant wrote:
A bit of both. FW is flawed. But you'd be a fool to think that the Minnie/Amarr theatre is the way it is because of economics. Your militia (certainly in the EU) is presently a dead loss, that's not because of farmers it's because of a lack of organisation and leadership.



The minnie/amarr warzone is a direct result of economics, but not in the way that everyone assumes it is regarding farmers deciding who is winning, although you can very clearly tell when farmers have switched. You and I both know the level of organization certain things take and raw impact that groups can have regardless of farmers, but the farmer element combined with diagonal plexing still heavily obsfucates a lot of the public perception regarding the impact groups on each side have and the FW image to the greater EVE community in regards to how much impact each individual group actually has.

The relevance of your feature and how groups outside of your feature view it heavily impacts the number and kinds of new players that keep feeding in as old guard burns out or wants to try new things. If a new group joins and leaves after a few weeks because they become disenchanted with farmers from a diagonal militia, regardless of whose side it's on, thats a net loss for FW. Likewise, a lot of the external dialogue I hear from the non-FW community is "so and so is losing, should we join them?" usually replied with "nah, its all farmers, it'll flip back soon enough." Even something like "Amarr/Min just took fortress Arzad/Sahtogas" often gets replied with "who cares about FW, its all farmers."

Don't get me wrong, there are still tons of kills happening. I'm not declaring FW dead by any means. Smaller ships mean you can lose frigates until you run out rather than maybe a BC and couple cruisers, but I can't help but feel that our warzone as a whole is much more carebear than it used to be, with fewer opportunities for FCs to build up the kind of experience to get back up to the level it was when our groups were going at each other full force. The guys that joined before and during Inferno had a very different starting point and pre-existing experience they had built up under the old system. Whereas, people starting in FW now will find a slower path to build up to that same level of experience. Just because things run on a cycle doesn't guarantee the peaks are the same. I suppose time will tell.

At the very least, i'm glad I joined when I did. As much as the tendency was to look down on the other side, we sure did have some great fights against each other didn't we?

The moar you cry the less you pee
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#55 - 2013-08-28 23:30:58 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
David Devant wrote:
A bit of both. FW is flawed. But you'd be a fool to think that the Minnie/Amarr theatre is the way it is because of economics. Your militia (certainly in the EU) is presently a dead loss, that's not because of farmers it's because of a lack of organisation and leadership.



As much as the tendency was to look down on the other side, we sure did have some great fights against each other didn't we?


Oh my god now you've done it! In before rage threads about links, blobs, stabs, cloaks.... I certainly enjoyed being consistently welped and agree totally with your point about people joining FW now. I'm glad I joined when I did.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#56 - 2013-08-29 23:44:34 UTC
perkin Warbeck....in Brothers of Terrible? What has the world come to?

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#57 - 2013-08-30 00:18:03 UTC
cearaen wrote:
The current sov mechanics do seem to suit the minmatar more than the amarr.

Yeah that's it. Mechanics.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#58 - 2013-08-30 00:34:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
cearaen wrote:
The current sov mechanics do seem to suit the minmatar more than the amarr.

Yeah that's it. Mechanics.


Here we go again.....

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#59 - 2013-08-30 03:44:10 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
perkin Warbeck....in Brothers of Terrible? What has the world come to?


Well, you know, I farm inanimate objects for isk and dock up whenever there is a war target or neutral in local. Its what I imagine being in the Minmatar militia is like Smile

I think my experience is common to many people who have left or or thinking of leaving FW.

I always cared about sovereignty. Its what attracted me to FW as a two week old toon. That semi-roleplay aspect of us versus them wrestling for control of the warzone. So I always defended Amarr systems such as Sahtogas on principle as well as having fights (and this was in the days when defensive plexing didn't reward you with LP).

With the influx of farmers after Inferno you could still get good fights, like we did in Metro when we were fighting Ushra or you guys in Soft Angels, but more and more I found you had to grind out the sovereignty to defend your 'home' system. So you would log in and have to plex for an hour or so that Sahtogas and surrounds didn't get up too high before the EU and US timezones plexed it up again.

After we defended Sahtogas a second time and took Arzad, the AU timezone, I can't really speak for others, became pretty dead. I'd log in and find no fights except for the odd pirate and instead sit in plexes for a couple of hours trying and failing to reduce the damage done in other timezones, Quite simply it wasn't fun anymore. I started logging in less and when I did I rarely enjoyed myself. So I joined a new corp who were feeling exactly the same as I was and we all left FW. Now we rent in null and that, apparently, is the new black.

The break has made me realise just how broken FW is. I always was an opponent of the insane LP rewards you got in FW. They were too high and it was inevitable that it would be farmed or gamed. I've no problem with people who don't care about sovereignty or just want to fleet up and enjoy good fights on the Kam/Kourm gate (after all, most Amarr corps no longer even live in low sec and that in itself is a sad indictment of the state of the war zone). But if you do care about sovereignty then the grind is soul destroying.

TL:DR FW is becoming a place where sovereignty is worthless or a place where you drop an alt in both sides to fund your lifestyle elsewhere. That is f*cked.

By the way, good to see you playing and hope you are feeling better
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#60 - 2013-08-30 05:54:30 UTC
Thanks. I'll be out round your neck of the woods one day. I've got unstarted business with certain large anchorable objects out there.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~