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Level 4 missions in Myrmidon, or dominix/megathron/hyperion?
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Robbin Sund
#1 - 2013-08-28 08:02:37 UTC
I am running L3 missions with my Myrmidon and it goes rather ok.
I am 3 hours from getting battleships and curious how much more I might need to invest befor I can even ruth Level4 without blowing up.

So, I have these skills that might be of interest, not sure if the numbers are to low
(or if I could link API somehow to easier look at it)

Not sure if there is any other important skills I might need or something I MUST have to survive in level 4.
If anyone could toss me into a friendly direction for this?
Im not talking about running Tier2 guns and drones, its to far away for me atm, just want to run level 4 barely as a starter.

Combat Drone Operation level 4
Drone Interfacing level 3
Drones level 5
Gallente Drone Specialization level 2

Targeting level 3
Long Range Targeting level 1

Gunnery 3
Medium Hybrid Turret level 3
Motion Prediction level 3
Sharpshooter level 1
Weapon Upgrades level 2


Armor Rigging level 1 (might need to train this more for the better repair rig?)

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-08-28 08:17:12 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
I am running L3 missions with my Myrmidon and it goes rather ok.
I am 3 hours from getting battleships and curious how much more I might need to invest befor I can even ruth Level4 without blowing up.


You need to know what scrams and what triggers new waves.

If you read the Eve Survival Guide before every mission, and use the right resist and damage type, you should be able to do most level 4 missions.

Some missions are more dangerous the other, especially with low skills, mostly because you find yourself in the middle of large group of enemies with scram frigs. Using long range weapon systems and micro jump makes it easier to survive some of the harder missions, use the MJD to get some range and start with killing the scram frigs.

The most important thing; don't fly something you can't afford to lose, the second most important thing; make sure you are able to warp out.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#3 - 2013-08-28 08:22:14 UTC
Robbin Sund wrote:
I am running L3 missions with my Myrmidon and it goes rather ok.
I am 3 hours from getting battleships and curious how much more I might need to invest befor I can even ruth Level4 without blowing up.

So, I have these skills that might be of interest, not sure if the numbers are to low
(or if I could link API somehow to easier look at it)

Not sure if there is any other important skills I might need or something I MUST have to survive in level 4.
If anyone could toss me into a friendly direction for this?
Im not talking about running Tier2 guns and drones, its to far away for me atm, just want to run level 4 barely as a starter.

Combat Drone Operation level 4
Drone Interfacing level 3
Drones level 5
Gallente Drone Specialization level 2

Targeting level 3
Long Range Targeting level 1

Gunnery 3
Medium Hybrid Turret level 3
Motion Prediction level 3
Sharpshooter level 1
Weapon Upgrades level 2


Armor Rigging level 1 (might need to train this more for the better repair rig?)



The main thing I can see is you are missing sentry drones and heavy drones. Even if you stay with the myrm. for level4's they will be useful.

Personally I'd stick with level3 missions until my support skills are a lot higher. Weapons upgrades to 5 so you can start training ADV. weapon upgrades. As well as my drone support skills.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Robbin Sund
#4 - 2013-08-28 08:30:16 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:


The main thing I can see is you are missing sentry drones and heavy drones. Even if you stay with the myrm. for level4's they will be useful.

Personally I'd stick with level3 missions until my support skills are a lot higher. Weapons upgrades to 5 so you can start training ADV. weapon upgrades. As well as my drone support skills.


So a myrmidon can do it with a bit of trickery? thats good news.
Will probably look into sentry dones as soon as possible.
:)
How do they work?
Do I put them up like any drone and they go into sentrymode directly, firing at whatever I want them to fire on?
Can they fire at things I cant lock, ie out of my range but not theirs?

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
Sarineka Wong
Hitchhikers and Hobos
#5 - 2013-08-28 08:31:04 UTC
You won't be able to do L4's without heavy or sentry drones.

L4 mission running isn't very difficult. As long as you consult EVE-Survival, fit the appropriate armor hardeners and make sure to take out the scramming frigates first, most of the missions are do-able with a low skill, T1 fit Domi.

However, being able to run missions isn't the issue. The issue is how efficiently you can run them. If you complete a L4 in about 4-5 times the amount of time an experienced player would take (and that's not an exaggeration), then you need to think whether L4's is actually the right choice for you. Perhaps L3's would be a better choice in terms of ISK/hour.

I think you should shy away from L4s until you can field T2 sentries as well as fit a full T2 tank as a bare minimum. Nothing wrong with running a couple to get a taste of what they're like, but the results with your current skills won't be very promising I can tell you.

Point first, immediately regret later.
Robbin Sund
#6 - 2013-08-28 08:31:26 UTC
dexington wrote:


You need to know what scrams and what triggers new waves.

If you read the Eve Survival Guide before every mission, and use the right resist and damage type, you should be able to do most level 4 missions.

Some missions are more dangerous the other, especially with low skills, mostly because you find yourself in the middle of large group of enemies with scram frigs. Using long range weapon systems and micro jump makes it easier to survive some of the harder missions, use the MJD to get some range and start with killing the scram frigs.

The most important thing; don't fly something you can't afford to lose, the second most important thing; make sure you are able to warp out.


I am a bit aware of that site and will read and learn it better for level 4, thanks for the headsup.
MJD, not sure if I can use it on my myrm but will deffintly get one,

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
Robbin Sund
#7 - 2013-08-28 08:32:40 UTC
Sarineka Wong wrote:
You won't be able to do L4's without heavy or sentry drones.

L4 mission running isn't very difficult. As long as you consult EVE-Survival, fit the appropriate armor hardeners and make sure to take out the scramming frigates first, most of the missions are do-able with a low skill, T1 fit Domi.

However, being able to run missions isn't the issue. The issue is how efficiently you can run them. If you complete a L4 in about 4-5 times the amount of time an experienced player would take (and that's not an exaggeration), then you need to think whether L4's is actually the right choice for you. Perhaps L3's would be a better choice in terms of ISK/hour.

I think you should shy away from L4s until you can field T2 sentries as well as fit a full T2 tank as a bare minimum. Nothing wrong with running a couple to get a taste of what they're like, but the results with your current skills won't be very promising I can tell you.


ISK/H is something I will start considering when my skills are higher, for now its mostly for the challenge and learning them. : )
Thanks for the reply

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#8 - 2013-08-28 09:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: hmskrecik
I started my L4 missions with Myrmidon too. Welcome to the club.

With a bit of luck it completes most of missions. With a bit of bad luck it explodes. Like others said, train heavies and sentries ASAP. And their T2 version for that matter. Train all drone support skills at least to 4, drone interfacing to 5.

For battleship to work for you you need serious skill investment. Tank/fitting related skills at 4 or 5, gunnery support skills at 4 or 5 and preferably T2 guns. Oh, and battleship skill at 4 or 5 would be nice too. Before all that you still can fly some big cow, it's just you will be sorely disappointed.

Edit: Forgot to add: before you jump into battleship I suggest a HAC as a stepping stone and after Myrmidon, Ishtar is logical next step when you train all those drone skills. You won't regret it, I promise.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2013-08-28 09:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Robbin Sund wrote:
Sarineka Wong wrote:
You won't be able to do L4's without heavy or sentry drones.

L4 mission running isn't very difficult. As long as you consult EVE-Survival, fit the appropriate armor hardeners and make sure to take out the scramming frigates first, most of the missions are do-able with a low skill, T1 fit Domi.

However, being able to run missions isn't the issue. The issue is how efficiently you can run them. If you complete a L4 in about 4-5 times the amount of time an experienced player would take (and that's not an exaggeration), then you need to think whether L4's is actually the right choice for you. Perhaps L3's would be a better choice in terms of ISK/hour.

I think you should shy away from L4s until you can field T2 sentries as well as fit a full T2 tank as a bare minimum. Nothing wrong with running a couple to get a taste of what they're like, but the results with your current skills won't be very promising I can tell you.


ISK/H is something I will start considering when my skills are higher, for now its mostly for the challenge and learning them. : )
Thanks for the reply


I did level 4s with a myrmidon when I started, but back then there was no bandwidth and they could field 5 heavy drones and since heavy drones tend to kill frigates after a while it used to work. now you need sentries because of drone aggro. it is still quite capable of doing L4s, however....

Dominix with all level 4 skills is absurdly good. Can be 600ish dps which is ample for killing battleships in a tolerable time.

ie large hybrid iv, level iv turret supports, drone interfacing iv, sentry iv, gallente battleship iv, other drone supports iv, cpu, grid, capacitor skills to iv and some navigation skills.

Due to the dominixes new tracking/optimal bonuses, it wallpapers over most of the limitations of t1 sentry drones. you can fix the need for t2 hardeners by buying some faction ones, likewise you can either run the virtually free meta4 large rep or grab a faction rep to get full t2 level tank, and if you are making good isk and have learned to not lose drones you can use navy drones until skills finish.

From there you train hull v (to reduce cost of your fit) and sentry v and then drone interfacing v which will take time (but is the largest dps boost).
Robbin Sund
#10 - 2013-08-28 09:36:41 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Robbin Sund wrote:
Sarineka Wong wrote:
You won't be able to do L4's without heavy or sentry drones.

L4 mission running isn't very difficult. As long as you consult EVE-Survival, fit the appropriate armor hardeners and make sure to take out the scramming frigates first, most of the missions are do-able with a low skill, T1 fit Domi.

However, being able to run missions isn't the issue. The issue is how efficiently you can run them. If you complete a L4 in about 4-5 times the amount of time an experienced player would take (and that's not an exaggeration), then you need to think whether L4's is actually the right choice for you. Perhaps L3's would be a better choice in terms of ISK/hour.

I think you should shy away from L4s until you can field T2 sentries as well as fit a full T2 tank as a bare minimum. Nothing wrong with running a couple to get a taste of what they're like, but the results with your current skills won't be very promising I can tell you.


ISK/H is something I will start considering when my skills are higher, for now its mostly for the challenge and learning them. : )
Thanks for the reply


I did level 4s with a myrmidon when I started, but back then there was no bandwidth and they could field 5 heavy drones and since heavy drones tend to kill frigates after a while it used to work. now you need sentries because of drone aggro. it is still quite capable of doing L4s, however....

Dominix with all level 4 skills is absurdly good. Can be 600ish dps which is ample for killing battleships in a tolerable time.

ie large hybrid iv, level iv turret supports, drone interfacing iv, sentry iv, gallente battleship iv, other drone supports iv, cpu, grid, capacitor skills to iv and some navigation skills.

Due to the dominixes new tracking/optimal bonuses, it wallpapers over most of the limitations of t1 sentry drones. you can fix the need for t2 hardeners by buying some faction ones, likewise you can either run the virtually free meta4 large rep or grab a faction rep to get full t2 level tank, and if you are making good isk and have learned to not lose drones you can use navy drones until skills finish.

From there you train hull v (to reduce cost of your fit) and sentry v and then drone interfacing v which will take time (but is the largest dps boost).


Seems like there is more training to be done before I can give it a shot, guess its a few weeks ahead of me until this can be done. ^^ luckily those skills is not fixated to L4 only, :o compared to IE mining skills for a few weeks dont work well in other fields.

Have a lot of planning to do once I get home, thanks to you and the others so far. :)

One way trip! Why dont you drive?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-28 10:32:19 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Dominix with all level 4 skills is absurdly good. Can be 600ish dps which is ample for killing battleships in a tolerable time.


This is very true.

If you fly the Myrmidon there is no reason to not train battleship 4 and upgrade to the domi, it's pretty much an upgrade in every aspect except speed, agility and all-over mobility.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Talemecus Valta
Fraternity Academy
#12 - 2013-08-28 10:46:02 UTC
If your going to stick with the drones as a primary weapon system, then follow the above advice.

I currently do level 4's in a Hyperion and 99% of my modules are tech 2, including the hardeners.

Only my large hybrid guns and Reactive Armour Hardener are tech 1, and that's because I haven't or can't train for tech 2.

The Reactive Armour Hardener is only tech 1.

Eve Survival is an incredibly important website if your intending to become a mission runner. It gives you so much information that you even wouldn't consider thinking of.

If you want to run level 4's in a Myrmidon without losing your ship, fleet up with a few people and then do it, just remember to fit the right equipment for the mission.

Talemecus Valta, PVP Cannon Fodder, Valta Industries.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-08-28 13:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
An option:

Skip straight to microjump Dominix by training t2 sentries, drone interfacing V and BS IV. Works wonders for L4 without having to really tank; just microjump to range and blap serpentis rats with garde/warden.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-28 13:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: The Spod
Fit:

Dominix, MJD

4x drone link augmentor
Small tractor beam (cans)

3x omnidirectional track link II
Large micro jump drive
Sensor booster / targeting range script

4x drone damage amplifier II
2x EANM II
Medium armor repairer

I have not ever went to armor in this during the missions I've done, rats target sentries and I pull them in individually. Serpentis rats never shoot at the range, gurista missiles take so long on arrival you just pull in sentries and they waste all their dps time. Tank is really optional, if you have fitting issues the medium rep works for all purposes to repair your buffer tank during travel. Racial hardening optional, do it if it makes you feel safer.

The only thing you really need for this SP wise are the droneskills, killing at 800dps pops the rats before they can bring guns to bear. I've ran several missions killing all rats for fun, and I never pulsed the rep with the range tank this has. It makes me suspect the rats put the closest sentry on top of their aggro list due to range exceeding their optimal in the aggro calculations.

Stats with bsV diV:
Garde II 800dps at 80+10km
Warden II 600dps at drone control range
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#15 - 2013-08-28 20:41:30 UTC
When I was between level 3 and 4, I went to lowsec to farm battleships in a cruiser. I lost a few cruisers to PvP, but I got a couple of rifter kills too. It was way better than loosing a BS to NPC's.

You need sentry drones, and shield (or armor) support skills to 4, and rail and support to 4. 700 DPS and 500 tank is the least I would attempt. People say 500/500 but that's almost as slow as a drake at killing and will get popped if its not cap stable or if you make an error. And you dont need cap stable for missions once you have enough DPS, a double edged sword.

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