Jita Park Speakers Corner

Problem is that you have to completely redesign the Rifter if its not going to be a scram kiter like both the breacher and the slasher.

Can you guys shout METACIDE over and over again until CCP commit to doing something about it?

Please ask CCP to spend a day running harder L4 missions solo in Amarr BSs with lasers and moderate skills, then have them run those with the other races and the same SPs and post their experiences especially ISK/hour and frequency of warp outs.

I'm still very disappointed with HAC rebalance. It really comes across as CCP not having a clue what direction to go for those ships so they picked a role bonus that's worthless to half of the ships receiving it. This was an opportunity to do something interesting, and it fell really flat. What if HACs got the ability to fit a MJD, or something equally out-of-the-box? They would have a new and interesting role that helps differentiate them from T1, Faction, and T3. Maybe the MJD on HACs would break EVE--I'm not a game designer, but I think HACs need something really noteworthy. Being a bit more resilliant to ewar isn't that, nor is a reduced sig penalty when running a MWD which many of the ships will never do. I'm worried HACs will continue to mostly collect dust in the hangars until they get another rebalancing pass in 5 or 10 years. If you read the thread it's full of great feedback from players that seems to really get ignored.

Pirate ships are due for a rebalance. Angel ships (esp the Mach) have already been flagged as particularly urgent candidates.

CNR > Mach for PvE now tbh.

Ah Ye now I get you. In principle I absolutely agree, but that's a MASSIVE project.

Take the case of armor plates: the materials described tell you absolutely nothing about the nature or capabilities of the plate. You would expect "reinforced nanofiber" plates to maybe trade durability for light weight, but in fact the reverse is true. There is no reason to fit anything other than Rolled Tungsten or Steel Plates II.

Why not deepen the game by giving someone some reason to fit, say, Crystalline Carbonide plates? Maybe they offer a slight bonus to resists, or something.

Yeah I get what Mr Helicon means by 'metacide' now, and it would be a great thing to do, but it would be a huge amount of work to complete. Maybe if it could be done piece-meal, one category at a time (eg: this month lets do hardeners, next month lets do prop mods and so on)

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I completely disagree. Look at the role bonuses for other T2 ships. You don't see heavy dictors without their bubbles, or force recons without their covops cloaks, or logistics without reppers, or command ships without fleet boosters. The role bonus is what defines the purpose/specialization/role of the ship. The changes to HACs aren't anything like that at all. Prior to the introduction of T3s and the rebalancing of the T1 Cruisers, the role was pretty clear: HACs are massive improvements over their T1 roles. That is no longer the case and the ships needed some serious consideration. Instead of serious consideration we got an ill-concieved bonus and a huge backlash. Instead of listening to the community's response and spending months returning to the drawing board and coming up with something different, we got a slightly buffed version of what nearly everyone hated.

The problem is that HACs don't have a clear role, and CCP hasn't done much to address this. The Sacrilege is a great example. It was a heavy tackler that would get in close and point something with its strong tank (that could support a dual armor rep setup) and moderate HAM DPS and 3 light drones It was pretty good at this. After the "buffs" we now have a HAC that can hit with heavy missiles from long range with improved EWAR resilience while MWDing around at a reduce penalty and using a single flight of unbonused medium drones. Who was asking for that? What the hell kind of role is that filling? It's bizarre and makes no sense. People said so, and they were ignored. This isn't the only HAC with a really ambiguous role, but I think it helps illustrate the point.



I don't think this is at all an unrealistic goal. It was possible before the Amarr BS changes. Look at this Fit of the Week: Starter Mission Armageddon article as an example. I'm not upset that CCP changed the Geddon, but they didn't help other ships take it's place, and with the capacitor nerfs to the Apoc, and the Abaddon's dependance on cap from external sources to really shine, there isn't much to like here for solo L4 (sure it's possible to slog through, but not at all desirable or balanced with the other races). All fits start to look pretty similar too to compensate for being cap starved, which is counter to most of what EVE is about.

I'm mostly frustrated because people complained very loudly about these issues, and were again ignored. There's a pattern with this and the HACs. CCP needs to do a better job of communicating proposals much earlier and addressing the concerns of the community when there are many months to refine and improve the proposals. I hope the CSMs can help CCP see that the process BSs and HACs were balanced with was very problematic. They feel rushed and ill considered to many of us.