EVE General Discussion

So I started in 2006, left around the time of Incarna which would have been 2011. Since I came back I've joined two alliances and here's what I've noticed. (you may or may not care)

- people now openly call their characters 'toons' which is pretty funny considering you would have been laughed off the forums for using such a word when I left. Probably down to the high circulation of eve's population, old guys leaving, new guys coming in from other MMOs

- It has become the norm to RMT, buying Plex so you can pvp because people are too lazy or do not have the time to earn isk other ways, a lot of people just cough up 15 euro/dollar when they die in their tech3 and just get another one with RL cash. Says a lot about the current generation of eve players.

- People now want your full API, and everybody seems happy to give it out so some stranger can read their eve-mails / financial transactions, this seems to be the norm now, and it's even more disturbing that people blindly submit ''I done nothing wrong so have nothing to hide'' attitude of . . . well . . . sheep.

- Prices have risen a lot, a Geddon/Domi was 60mil when I left, a Phobos or Zealot was 120, a carrier was 700, a dread was 1.1 or 1.2 bil. I think CCP have artificially risen prices for the sake of selling PLEX (greed is good)

- Solo pvp was hard to find by the time I left, now it's completely dead in all but FW plexes it seems. Off grid boosters are the norm and tag along for even frigate 'soloers'. Power creep and trends combine to make you spend more money on accounts if you want to compete.

- The current two alliances that I've been in had very shaky understanding of game mechanics, listening to them on teamspeak made me realise that even though I've been gone a few years, I still had a far better understanding of how this game worked than most of these guys who had been playing solidly for 2 or 3 years. I wonder is it similar for others in 'this generation' of eve players.

- Eve's community is now a lot less elitist, which is good. Eve's community thought themselves the 'best' back in the day, but its community really isn't any better than World of Warcraft, or World of Tanks or any other online game in all honesty.

- the new crimewatch system is the epitome of dumbed down, it was really badly done, the killrights system is awful (if you're attacking people in high sec you're either an idiot or a suicide ganker, if you're podding in low sec you're gonna be an outlaw anyway, only getting killrights on these two groups is moronic)

And most shockingly of all . . .

- None of these things really rustle my jimmies like they ought to, I thought an eve where people RMT'd their way into proteus' and flew around in their toons oblivious to game mechanics while handing out their full API to anyone that asked would bother me, but it doesn't. Seems like I can't bring myself to care about the direction eve is going in, I simply chug along hoping to pull a few moments of fun from the hours of boredom

Gotta disagree with this one. 3 years ago... that means you left the game right at the height of the bot infestation and drone region farming. The in game economy was horribly screwed up, and as a trader it's really the only point I considered quitting the game for good.

It takes serious balls for a dev to increase prices and build costs (it always spurs months of forum whining and yes, even account cancellations). They didn't even beat around the bush, they straight up went in and increased mineral requirements for T1 ships, and injected some good ol' risk/reward into combat.

(also, realize that T3 BCs are the new "standard" PVP/PVE ship these days, not BSs. This is probably a good thing, because they're more agile and a bit more fun to fly.)

I think by T3 the OP was referring to tech 3 strategic cruisers, not the tier 3 BCs (bruisers).

While I've played in short bursts several times over the last eight years, I haven't gotten deep enough into the game to comment on all OP's points. That said,

1. I tend not to judge people too harshly for the way they type or the wording they use, so whether you say "How are you today?" or "how r u 2day ???" I don't really care. That said, I can never take seriously someone who uses the word "toon" to indicate a character. I guess I associate it too strongly with WoW kids.

2. What were PLEX prices like when you left? If you're going to look at ship prices in terms of PLEX, then that's something to consider. I know PLEX used to have a much smaller nominal value than they have now, but I don't know how much it's changed over the last two years.

3. Learning cliff comic notwithstanding, EVE game mechanics aren't too difficult to understand, but then it's easy for misinformation or misunderstanding to spread and stick in players' minds. Were the misunderstandings you've mentioned very severe, or were they more about minor details with trivial practical effects?

4. It's good this isn't bothering you much. What people say or do in this game just doesn't really matter, and it's a shame when people forget that fact.

So what happened out there?

3 years in the clear and now you are back? It doesn't make sense...

I dunno OP, you kinda come across as a bit pretentious to me.

No, you normally had a dog pile on anyone saying "Toon". You still see it now, but not as much.

Ah you failed to mention the wardec, in which case, yes you're going to get shot at.

I just assume these people have low IQ or are children. The character bizarre is full of them... toon this, toon that.... these people are dead to me