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The Great Ice Mining Interdiction: Not so Great

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#801 - 2013-08-26 18:07:16 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.


Well I am just saying I see an orca in Osmon. Somone should do something about it.

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Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#802 - 2013-08-26 18:08:28 UTC
Hey Tardbar give a warpin
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#803 - 2013-08-26 18:21:09 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Hey Tardbar give a warpin


They are in white glaze belt FLH now but will be moving to KDV as soon as that runs out.

I have to go to Jita to do some business so won't have eyes on it for a while.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#804 - 2013-08-27 07:15:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.

The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.

We also use orcas.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#805 - 2013-08-27 07:58:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.


I take it they are too idiot to hang a Damage Control amirite ? I'll bet ISK.


Most of them yes, but if I get enough guys in fleet a Damage Control is no deterrent.

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Maliandra
Doomheim
#806 - 2013-08-27 13:24:07 UTC
Another day, another fail.

It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.

You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side. What is the excuse for not having people setup in all systems at all times?

I'll tell you the excuse: Sucking.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#807 - 2013-08-27 13:34:16 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Another day, another fail.

It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.

You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side. What is the excuse for not having people setup in all systems at all times?

I'll tell you the excuse: Sucking.



Look at this tryhard. Its almost as if he is trying the Iraq defence spokesman tactic while our tanks manover behind him to bring down yet another bronze statue.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#808 - 2013-08-27 14:04:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
Another day, another fail.

It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.

You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side. What is the excuse for not having people setup in all systems at all times?

I'll tell you the excuse: Sucking.



Look at this tryhard. Its almost as if he is trying the Iraq defence spokesman tactic while our tanks manover behind him to bring down yet another bronze statue.


You know. Right after dowtime there is usually about 2 freighters in the Osmon belts. Maybe its hard to organize numbers that early in the day, but it is something you should consider. I mean if they can survive unmolested what does it say about the interdiction effort?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#809 - 2013-08-27 14:12:48 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended.


The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality.


I take it they are too idiot to hang a Damage Control amirite ? I'll bet ISK.


Most of them yes, but if I get enough guys in fleet a Damage Control is no deterrent.



Indeed. But at least its a 'gesture' And not quite so embarrassing on the inevitable KM.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#810 - 2013-08-27 14:14:17 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Another day, another fail.

It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.

You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side.


In this case it was Market numbers. Genius.

Get over it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#811 - 2013-08-27 14:20:45 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
Another day, another fail.

It's now been 14 full hours since any CFC member has entered any of the two systems with ice I've been watching.

You would think being the largest alliance in EVE, they'd at least have the numbers on their side. What is the excuse for not having people setup in all systems at all times?

I'll tell you the excuse: Sucking.


We deployed: http://themittani.com/news/cfc-deploys-delve

Maybe if you guys paid attention to what was happening in EVE you could have made as much isk as we did from Caldari ice and you wouldn't be so butthurt.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#812 - 2013-08-27 17:43:14 UTC
Oh. I found this nice article... About the the interiction.

http://evenews24.com/2013/08/20/greedy-goblin-the-fall-of-miniluv/

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#813 - 2013-08-27 17:45:08 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Oh. I found this nice article... About the the interiction.

http://evenews24.com/2013/08/20/greedy-goblin-the-fall-of-miniluv/


Yeah, apparently we're broke or something.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#814 - 2013-08-27 18:02:26 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:


But the profit is not a guarantee. It is a gamble, a risk. You are essentially taking your chips and putting them on the table, whether you win or not, the money is gone into the pool, and you have risked your investment on the chance to win the pot. The whole reason for putting together the ship was on the chance to blow up and then collect the loot from your victim, and if that fails then your investment failed to pan out.

This is not the same as fuel, when you buy it you expect it to perform its function without fail and you get your money's worth. Same as office supplies, groceries, paying rent, paying employees, paying utilities, and other costs. None of those involve any perceivable risks. While I will concede that purchasing a ganking catalyst can be considered a cost from an economic standpoint, I cannot and will not concede that it is not a risk from the same economic standpoint because the purchase was made on the hopes that it will perform a function which has no guarantee of success.




But that has nothing to do with the ship you choose, or has anything to do with your target, which is where THAT risk assessment you mention comes from.

You have no idea whatsoever what sort of profit margin you're looking at when you purchase the ship to gank with. Unless you want to imply you are buying it and fitting it on the fly....?

Otherwise, if you're seeding a ship, you do not even have a target sited, let alone scanned, or an idea of a profit to work with.

So "profit" is irrelevant at the time of purchase/preparation. The risk has nothing to do with the action, only the result. And that's dynamically changed and as you so eloquently put, buying that catalyst is the same as buying those office supplies or groceries.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#815 - 2013-08-27 18:18:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Every rats spawn was a little drama, as in the most usual 0.5-0.6 Minmatar sec the rats would put the retriever in deep armor in a couple of seconds, before I could warp away. Drones would not do them anything before I had to run like hell.

So, at least for new players, mining used to be risky too.

Too bad all of this changed and now mining is all the same as botting imo.


a week old character in a retriever with 4 t1 drones can, and will, absolutely destroy any high sec rat spawn without issue or even needing to be at the PC. rats are only an issue in 0.6 and below for players younger than a week. how many players fall in to that category? a negligable amount since most that young tend to be in 1.0-0.7 where 2 t1 drones can easily deal with the spawns (maybe a dip in to armour but nowhere near hull)

calling it risky for new players is laughable.


Today's retriever <> 2009 retriever.
Minmatar space <> Caldari space.


point still stands; calling mining risky even for new players is still laughable.



Almost as risky as suicide ganking. Atleast with a suicide gank you can DEPEND on your ship getting blown up.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#816 - 2013-08-27 18:45:15 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So I had eyes on a Caldari Ice belt last night... Prime Time too.

Everyone is minding their own business for a an hour or two and then I finally see 4 catalysts pop a Mack. This is actually not that unsual for the system.

As my friends quickly snag all the loot, we wait for more of a show to happen.

Then a covertor shows up in the belt and for the rest of the night (probaly 2 hours) it mines away with impunity.

We were waiting for them to get concord to show up somewhere else by using an Ibis to pull them away, but sadly no one did anything for the rest of the night even after another belt spawned.

There were plenty of retreivers and mack shooting their lasers at the Ice roids.

Some friends in the belt (AKA Those who were in the category of caution) were using Skiffs with 75K EPH getting boosts with their bulk head tanked Orcas sitting off 0m from the a nearby station so they could quickly warp to it and dump there loads.

I saw a few Skiffs have the balls to bring out an indy and can mining yet no one was molesting them.

So this whole Ice Belt mining doesn't really seem to be stopping the flow of Ice.

Plenty of people still ice mining in non-skiffs and there was 1 gank for about 4 hours of watching.

So I can only assume the rise in Ice prices has something to do with market speculation because even though the belts may not have bot balls (which I think is maybe the nicest thing about this) but the belts are still being mined out and the ice is still flowing.

Which is just making the ice miners rich with the current prices. Whooptie doo.
It's obvious that Goons mined a lot of Caldari ice, wanted to unload it for higher prices, and announced some sort of "interdiction" to drive prices up. Suprise! Prices went up and they likely dumped their ice reserved for significant profit.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#817 - 2013-08-27 18:48:53 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So I had eyes on a Caldari Ice belt last night... Prime Time too.

Everyone is minding their own business for a an hour or two and then I finally see 4 catalysts pop a Mack. This is actually not that unsual for the system.

As my friends quickly snag all the loot, we wait for more of a show to happen.

Then a covertor shows up in the belt and for the rest of the night (probaly 2 hours) it mines away with impunity.

We were waiting for them to get concord to show up somewhere else by using an Ibis to pull them away, but sadly no one did anything for the rest of the night even after another belt spawned.

There were plenty of retreivers and mack shooting their lasers at the Ice roids.

Some friends in the belt (AKA Those who were in the category of caution) were using Skiffs with 75K EPH getting boosts with their bulk head tanked Orcas sitting off 0m from the a nearby station so they could quickly warp to it and dump there loads.

I saw a few Skiffs have the balls to bring out an indy and can mining yet no one was molesting them.

So this whole Ice Belt mining doesn't really seem to be stopping the flow of Ice.

Plenty of people still ice mining in non-skiffs and there was 1 gank for about 4 hours of watching.

So I can only assume the rise in Ice prices has something to do with market speculation because even though the belts may not have bot balls (which I think is maybe the nicest thing about this) but the belts are still being mined out and the ice is still flowing.

Which is just making the ice miners rich with the current prices. Whooptie doo.
It's obvious that Goons mined a lot of Caldari ice, wanted to unload it for higher prices, and announced some sort of "interdiction" to drive prices up. Suprise! Prices went up and they likely dumped their ice reserved for significant profit.

Our space has Caldari ice.

Much more tinfoil-y and probably accurate is that there are large stockpiles of isotopes from before the ice patch which have been constantly dumped into various pockets. And hey, after a war it's time to go ganking.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#818 - 2013-08-27 19:37:04 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Oh. I found this nice article... About the the interiction.

http://evenews24.com/2013/08/20/greedy-goblin-the-fall-of-miniluv/

Yeah, but that's Gevlon. If that guy had an intelligent thought his head would implode.
Go read his blog, he's being all original and starting his own miner ganking corp. Just coincidently, not like he's just jumping on the bandwagon or anything.

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