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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-08-27 13:25:12 UTC
Ha, yes that was me. I love pizza, hehe. I'm a purist.

You and your loved ones stay safe. I hope this whole thing can resolve itself for all parties and further escalation is avoided.

Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-08-27 13:34:13 UTC
Aye. Im just wondering what the US plans for Syria are calling for.

I hope to gods its just a case of neutralising the chemical stockpiles and launchers and not a Libya where NATO basically handed AQM and the MB the country on a silver platter and fought the war for them.

But then again exit strategies arent exactly the wests or Russias strong point.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#83 - 2013-08-27 13:37:45 UTC
CNN Headline:

'Syria is not easy to swallow'



Yeah. It'd be like a really large, dusty mint or something Lol

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-08-27 13:40:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
CNN Headline:

'Syria is not easy to swallow'



Yeah. It'd be like a really large, dusty mint or something Lol


Might need a quite a big glass of water to go along with it for sure.

*cue old man saying "thats nothing, my medicine is the size of Russia!"*

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#85 - 2013-08-27 13:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Right now our armed forces are telling our PM that we do not have the ability to take on assad because his cuts mean we have no carriers, few fighterbombers and the army is critcally undermanned.

Best we can do is to use a trafalga class sub to obliterate a few targets but cause no real damage.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#86 - 2013-08-27 13:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'm more terrified about what Assad has already done.

Which is nothing compared to what will happen if a major world power goes and sticks its oar in. It's a nasty family fight that's been ongoing for about a millennia. Best thing to do is to quarantine the place, take away all their access to new toys, and let them beat each other stupid until they come to their senses. Oh, and provide safe shelter outside the donnybrook for those as are smart enough to not want to play.

Sadly, our pols are doing stupid things. Again.
Obama is making stupid comments about red lines he has no intention of enforcing, thus making him (and the US) look both weak and foolish. His various officials are backing his play by talking big about 'all options on the table' whilst knowing that's a transparent lie (no, we're not going to nuke Syria - So it's clear that all options are NOT on the table).

Meanhile, Klowngress Kritters are jumping on the "We must do *something* so that we appear to be doing our jobs" bandwagon, egged on by a bloodthirsty media and even stupider voters...

I'm sadly resigned to a lot (more) needlessly lost lives whilst various people make hay by wrecking the world.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-08-27 14:05:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Right now our armed forces are telling our PM that we do not have the ability to take on assad because his cuts mean we have no carriers, few fighterbombers and the army is critcally undermanned.

Best we can do is to use a trafalga class sub to obliterate a few targets but cause no real damage.


Maybe they'll realise that gutting the armed forces wasnt the brightest of ideas afterall.

Im hoping parliament votes it down.

I remember the no to war in 2003 before Iraq, surprised it isnt the same with Syria. I saw on the BBC that the mood is crap in the UK.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-08-27 14:07:58 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Here be truth and the voice of experience


The opinion from the ME is that Obama and congress have climbed so high into that damned tree that they wont be able to get out.

This could well be a war of "lets have a war as we dont want to lose face."

You know, the Chinese are right. Everything does work in cycles.

Welcome to 1913 everyone.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#89 - 2013-08-27 14:09:29 UTC
Graygor wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Here be truth and the voice of experience


The opinion from the ME is that Obama and congress have climbed so high into that damned tree that they wont be able to get out.

This could well be a war of "lets have a war as we dont want to lose face."

You know, the Chinese are right. Everything does work in cycles.

Welcome to 1913 everyone.

How depressing.
You are, of course, resoundingly correct.
Straight

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-08-27 14:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Unrelated but good to know you're still around Silens, havent seen you on the boards for quite a while.

Heres something hot off the press from Jpost about all this.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Sources-West-tells-opposition-that-Syria-strike-coming-in-days-324411

And the facepalm quote.

Quote:
Hagel: US military ready to act on Syria immediately if asked


Asked by whom? The heart eating jihadis who are slaughering shia, druze, kurd and christian and alawite en masse? Oh and the Sunnis who dont agree with them.

Or perhaps the SFA who are nominally leaderless and backed by expats who are unknowns in Syria? Yeah... that worked so well in Iraq didint it. Oh and Morsi in Egypt was an american educated moderate who loved the west.

Captain Lawrence Oates may have had it right when he gave up his life for Scott and the others.

To say "im just going outside, i maybe gone sometime" sounds mighty appealing in all this madness.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#91 - 2013-08-27 14:14:07 UTC
I would disagree that Syria has nothing to do with fossil fuels, given that it ispart of a proposed route for natural gas from Qatar/SA to Europe. Given that this would lower prices and increase volume in line with the EU intent to diversify awayy from Russian gas I would think this plays a part in Russias position.

I dont think most people want a war but its obvious we feel we need to do something here, and I'm not sure that the WMDs weren't fired for the purpose of dragging outside part ies into the war. Given how Obama said it was the red line, he has to do something or the US is shown as a paper tiger, much how Russia is generally seen but on a larger scale, strongest of the Great Powers as opposed to the Lone Superpower.

If we genuinely want to solve this and start this week, it nessesitates a ground campaign and occupation. Standoff bombardment like in Libya would crush Assasd and strengthen the rebels relatively and I would be disgusted by NATO if thats the plan. Take out the anti air and the known WMD depots, though a smart move would be to keep them kobile at this point. If SA wants Syria fixed beyond that then it would need to commit its own forces. We already know throuh the cable leaks that they lean heavily on the US to strike at Iran, so they are not some innocents pulled into this.

This could in a worst case be the big one that kicks off the Arab/Persian war again like the Iran/Iraq war if this is mismanaged, and something is going on in the background to distort logic to the current conclusions.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2013-08-27 14:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Graygor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Right now our armed forces are telling our PM that we do not have the ability to take on assad because his cuts mean we have no carriers, few fighterbombers and the army is critcally undermanned.

Best we can do is to use a trafalga class sub to obliterate a few targets but cause no real damage.


Maybe they'll realise that gutting the armed forces wasnt the brightest of ideas afterall.

Im hoping parliament votes it down.

I remember the no to war in 2003 before Iraq, surprised it isnt the same with Syria. I saw on the BBC that the mood is crap in the UK.


The UK military is at rock bottom. Most of the highly experienced squaddies have either left or been sacked. The only airpower our fleet has are sea Lynx, merlins and seakings. We do have the best air defence ships in the world but they cant defend an entire fleet alone. Some of our armoured regiments dont even have any tanks.

We have not been this vulnerable for the last 500 years. That said we have a gift for fighting and winning wars like this but only if we are the ones in charge.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-08-27 14:19:29 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I would disagree that Syria has nothing to do with fossil fuels, given that it ispart of a proposed route for natural gas from Qatar/SA to Europe. Given that this would lower prices and increase volume in line with the EU intent to diversify awayy from Russian gas I would think this plays a part in Russias position.

I dont think most people want a war but its obvious we feel we need to do something here, and I'm not sure that the WMDs weren't fired for the purpose of dragging outside part ies into the war. Given how Obama said it was the red line, he has to do something or the US is shown as a paper tiger, much how Russia is generally seen but on a larger scale, strongest of the Great Powers as opposed to the Lone Superpower.

If we genuinely want to solve this and start this week, it nessesitates a ground campaign and occupation. Standoff bombardment like in Libya would crush Assasd and strengthen the rebels relatively and I would be disgusted by NATO if thats the plan. Take out the anti air and the known WMD depots, though a smart move would be to keep them kobile at this point. If SA wants Syria fixed beyond that then it would need to commit its own forces. We already know throuh the cable leaks that they lean heavily on the US to strike at Iran, so they are not some innocents pulled into this.

This could in a worst case be the big one that kicks off the Arab/Persian war again like the Iran/Iraq war if this is mismanaged, and something is going on in the background to distort logic to the current conclusions.


Boots on the ground would result in a 3 way clustershag between NATO forces, Assads armies and those moderate freedom loving rebels who are in no way linked to any terrorist groups, no sir.

Last time something like that happened that i can think of is maybe WW1 with Lawrence stirring up the arab tribes that started this whole bloody mess to begin with.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#94 - 2013-08-27 14:20:07 UTC
silens vesica wrote:


I'm sadly resigned to a lot (more) needlessly lost lives whilst various people make hay by wrecking the world.



Welp, that's again been the story of the world most of the time.

This is actually the most peaceful time in humanity's history, weirdly.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#95 - 2013-08-27 14:22:56 UTC
Aye but we have the bases on Cyprus, well within strike range of the RAF. Hopefully reactivating units wont be so tricky as much of the cuts havent bitten yet and need only scrap them, offer reinstatement and bring assets out of mothballs.

Worst thing is the lack of Harriers, we've been caught with our trousers down, now we pay the price and hopefully rearm, ditching the JSF in favour of Navalised Typhoons or whatever we can operate as a stopgap. We cant rely on Trident as our insurance policy all the time.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#96 - 2013-08-27 14:24:21 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Unrelated but good to know you're still around Silens, havent seen you on the boards for quite a while.
Thank you. Smile Been rather busy, and frankly in a pretty cranky mood. I tend to step back from social media when I feel my inner jackass coming to the fore.

Quote:
Heres something hot off the press from Jpost about all this.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Sources-West-tells-opposition-that-Syria-strike-coming-in-days-324411

And the facepalm quote.

Quote:
Hagel: US military ready to act on Syria immediately if asked


Asked by whom? The heart eating jihadis who are slaughering shia, druze, kurd and christian and alawite en masse? Oh and the Sunnis who dont agree with them.

No.... Asked by the grandstanding pols who've painted themselves into a corner with their thoughtless jingoism and rhetoric.

American diplomacy in the ME still thinks Jefferson is in the Whitehouse, and 'sending in the Marines' is still the answer to everything. Until they actually get a few policy experts who know the region and the peoples - AND LISTEN TO THEM - we're going to be doing this same old dance forever, stumbling ever more badly as we go.

Quote:

Captain Lawrence Oates may have had it right when he gave up his life for Scott and the others.

To say "im just going outside, i maybe gone sometime" sounds mighty appealing in all this madness.
Yeah. Sad

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#97 - 2013-08-27 14:26:24 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Aye but we have the bases on Cyprus, well within strike range of the RAF. Hopefully reactivating units wont be so tricky as much of the cuts havent bitten yet and need only scrap them, offer reinstatement and bring assets out of mothballs.

Worst thing is the lack of Harriers, we've been caught with our trousers down, now we pay the price and hopefully rearm, ditching the JSF in favour of Navalised Typhoons or whatever we can operate as a stopgap. We cant rely on Trident as our insurance policy all the time.


The harriers are still in boxes in ghe UK. One of our carriers can still launch them dispite being converted to a helicopter carrier. We would however need to as the US marines for our planes back.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-08-27 14:26:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
baltec1 wrote:
The UK military is at rock bottom. Most of the highly experienced squaddies have either left or been sacked. The only airpower our fleet has are sea Lynx, merlins and seakings. We do have the best air defence ships in the world but they cant defend an entire fleet alone. Some of our armoured regiments dont even have any tanks.

We have not been this vulnerable for the last 500 years.


12 years of war will do that to an Army.

Its disgusting that they bailed out the bankers and didnt do f all for the army than a paltry pay raise.

Too much is wasted on "procurement tours" (read massive overfunded bloated defence contracts) by whitehall civvies who are basically on a massive bender.

Absolutely sickening.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#99 - 2013-08-27 14:32:01 UTC
Graygor wrote:


Boots on the ground would result in a 3 way clustershag between NATO forces, Assads armies and those moderate freedom loving rebels who are in no way linked to any terrorist groups, no sir.

Along with some vigorous pot-stirring and intervention by outside interested parties, including most especially Russia, but not discounting various experienced jihadis who are currently without a cause, and anyone who would love to see the major powers tied up in knots.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#100 - 2013-08-27 14:32:02 UTC
Graygor wrote:


Boots on the ground would result in a 3 way clustershag between NATO forces, Assads armies and those moderate freedom loving rebels who are in no way linked to any terrorist groups, no sir.

Last time something like that happened that i can think of is maybe WW1 with Lawrence stirring up the arab tribes that started this whole bloody mess to begin with.

Which is a terrifying proposition that I hope we do not do, but the rhetoric about ending Assads regime leads to a 3 way ground campaign or societal collapse with warlords vieing for the spoils over the ruins. Given time Assad would win, which is why then Chemical weapons usage, especially after Israel has selectively bombed suspected ammo dumpz en route to Hezbollah shows they are watching and prepared to sortie.

Im sitting in the "they can't seriously mean they wa t to do this" camp but have a sense of dread that they might actually do it. And it would have been unessacary to even come this far if someone e hadn't called it a red line that would inevitability be crossed. It is madness.

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