Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For a start you're wrong about the DPS, at least at the high end of the skill curve. With all 5s, Neutron 2s, and Antimatter (no other fittings or drones) the Ferox gets 310 and the Vulture gets 331. Not a huge DPS change but the Vulture is also picking up an extra 50% range (~14km vs 9.4km at all 5s) and T2 resist bonuses which shouldn't be under estimated. It also has better capacitor, betting fittings, needs fewer guns, and has more base shield HP.

I've never claimed it was a particularly fantastic solo boat compared to the other command ships and you'd probably need to be a very skilled PvPer to make use of it that way effectively, but in a small gang with Logi it can tank and project DPS far better than the Ferox and either boost the fleet with links or fit utility highs.

Wrong. Cap use bonuses are terrible, and if they are going to be true bonuses, they need to be something like 15%.

I'd take another damage / range / tank / speed bonus over that garbage any day. Especially when they give you a ROF bonus attached to laser cap usage, so, so, so stupid.

On top of that, Amarr ships don't even have better base capacitors anymore (in a lot of ship classes).

Lasers aren't significantly better than other weapon systems anymore. Their damage projection is great, but that's only because of Pulse lasers and Scorch; their tracking is horrendous (incredibly easy to get under even small pulse lasers).

I won't doubt the comment on the dominix, it currently is strong all the way - as long as you don't need to move. Which is basically always for the way you deploy it.

The Vexor surely is a pwnmobile once you've worked your way through to t2 blasters and ogres. Ye it's moderately rewarding given that you need every skill there is that hasn't missile written on it. Compared though to the thorax (active-armor AB-Blasterboat / shield AB blasterboat), or to caracal (rapid lights frig killer) or rupture (still the most costefficient serious artyplatform), it certainly is just one direction of excellent.

Now this is ridiculous, Tristan is a freekill whenever you meet one, pop it's drones, apply damage from 6-8k and even a rifter kills it easy pezy. The Tristan is pretty comedylevel given that fielding drones against another frig (that normally pops a warrior/hobgoblin/ec-300 in 2 volleys) is flawed, and you will have terrible cards against any other pilot with a dronetab.

Algos is so slow, getting kited by a tempest. Only useful the same way a proteus is useful, in a blob against immobile targets.

Comet - It's a gallente frig. It's fragile as ****, does okayish damage (great on paper / nice in space), got jamdrones and goes quite fast. Though it neither touches the daredevil on the offensive nor the dramiel on the defensive side.

Simply put, Gallente ships are in good shape. Tristan/Algos are rather weak on their own.




To add that the deimos used to have a capacitor bonus, as did the sacriledge. Cap did not fall from the sky, it's an old bonus (like on the sac) being built into the hull.Now also to mention that old AB Zealots never had issues with cap to boot, now they also don't have cap issues fitting some weirdo shieldbeamfits (55% stable, 2m00 mwd on). If you instead go for an active zealot, might question yourself why not a NOmen. Or fit a cap booster. Absolution shouldn't be mentioned, as it is a command ship (they didn't get their cap readjusted afaik). Also, even a muninn got more capacitor recharge then an absolution.

Is there any way that Cap bonus on Absolution could be rolled into special bonus. Laser ships almost always have one bonus less due to cap one it's kinda odd.

I dont think the Cap Bonus is a bad one, its just to low, imagine an all V Ship could reduce Laser near cap Free state it would be terrific!!

I'd state this is a difficult task no matter how you look at it. If your opponents know what they are doing, you'll lose such a situation 10 out of 10 times.

I thought the Goal would be to remove offgrid Boosting completly atleast for Combat related links?!

It needs better cap recharge, just like all the commands.

I know I sound like a broken record here, but a standardized 4.5/s cap recharge is simply foolish... They all need to be around the 5.5/s mark with higher cap using ships (absolution) getting even more and lower cap using ships (claymore, sleipnir) getting slightly less.

Again, why does the deimos get 6.2/s cap, when the absolution gets 4.5/s.

ccp, before you show us the upcoming features/changes regarding Od 1.1 you may should read these tons of feadback of your players. For me personally, i didnt get answered simple questions or points which i dont like and want to discuss.

You guys have ideas and want to bring these changes, who cares about the feadback....so bad.

my fast summary of cs changes:
++every cs can fit links with bonus
++smaller adj. to all ships like armor based ships got less shield now etc.
++boosting little bit of damage things, sensor strength etc. to have a good difference between bc, navy bc and cs
--every ship has same modul-bonuses
--thery are no more 2 cs of each race, only one ship basicly
--less fitting-possibilites like nerf pg on damnation etc., but also good points

I still want to have 2 type of cs, one with good bonus to fleet-modules, better possibility to tank and control a fleet.
Second one with more damage and/or fitting-points to fit neuts etc.

It would be so much easier if they just put the NH in a trash can and started over:
- Use Drake as a template
- Add T2 resistances
- Remove some launchers and the corresponding CPU/PG, give some bonus to the remaining ones
- Add cap/CPU/PG worth 3 active links
- Add ability to run 3 links with some bonuses
- Hit save button. End result: T2 command ship version of a Drake.

And I guess the same should be done for most command ships, its just that the NH is in most desperate need.

There are plenty of issues with tiericide and T2 ships that's either been left behind or left too powerful. Easiest way to fix it is to start from scratch.

Edit: Assume the Drake is fitted with 6 launchers + 1 link. Switch 2 launchers to 2 links, adjust CPU/PG/cap accordingly.