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Peace is Boring

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Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#101 - 2013-08-26 20:00:24 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Go shoot something then.

EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.

Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something


Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.

For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this.

War on the other hand is entirely different.

Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do.

War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored."

So let's have a war!


On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled?

Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC?


The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec?

My point being in this wall of text is that losing sucks unless you don't care; and if you don't care about losing and are ready to fight, then you either have to shed the blues beside of you or fight another coalition. Goonswarm is the largest alliance in terms of member count, outposts held, and systems secured (not counting renters) even though it barely uses a portion of that. With the current affairs of nullsec being as they are, coalitions don't want to fight each other because the stakes are too high for even a gambling man to risk them. The next war between the CFC and N3 will destroy one and cripple the other undoubtedly.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#102 - 2013-08-26 21:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rekon X
Tron 3K wrote:

Don't bad mouth elite pvpers!


Although I hear those retrievers are some pretty tough targets.

Entertaining looking through there war reports also. I guess the op doesn't want to fight the ones they are getting spanked in.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-08-26 22:06:46 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


I think you miss the war. You need to be online a little more.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-08-26 22:20:37 UTC
Khemax wrote:
I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers.

Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely.
8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Twisted

Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind)

Plenty of targets out there


The plan was to kick test out of fountain and take it for the cfc. Test might still have 8k members but they're spent right now. They barely put up a fight at their peak.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-08-26 23:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec?


This happened before when VFK, DKUK and YA0 were sieged by the Joiner Coalition of PL, NCdot, Ev0ke, RDN, etc. and we simply moved non-PvP assets to Empire and stocked up on fleet doctrine ships. This was after having lost several tech moons, CR/PB/F station systems and after our "allies" in the NC were completely conquered. We did not failure cascade because of the prospect of losing a war then and I strongly doubt we would now.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#106 - 2013-08-27 00:16:35 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Yea, war. Especially since you outnumber anyone you would go up against at about 10 to 1.

I hear a lot about carebears in this game, but you can't get any more carebear than this:


Clusterfuck Coalition - 31241 Members (comprised of the following alliances)

Goonswarm Federation - 10078 Members

RAZOR Alliance - 3879 Members

Fatal Ascension - 2834 Members

Tactical Narcotics Team - 1913 Members

Fidelas Constans - 3065 Members

SpaceMonkey's Alliance - 1761 Members

Executive Outcomes - 825 Members

Gentlemen's Agreement - 2567 Members

Get Off My Lawn - 1758 Members

Circle-Of-Two - 1545 Members

Li3 Federation - 1016 Members


Known Enemies

Northern Coalition - 2380 Members

Black Legion - 1128 Members



You somehow missed about 30k people that tried to stop us taking fountain. You might want to recount. If you need some help you can use the public standings (https://standings.goonfleet.com/) which doesn't count people who might dogpile on (we were neutral to just about everyone in Asakai for instance) but it's a start.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#107 - 2013-08-27 00:40:32 UTC
To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mac Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-08-27 00:57:44 UTC
Apparently the Siege Fleet Bot that Lyris was has had a sufficient cool down and is ready for more action. My bomber is waiting.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-08-27 01:02:12 UTC
beep boop SiegeBot 9000 online

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Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-08-27 01:37:33 UTC
Lyris Nairn: Éminence grise of the CFC
Ser Berus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2013-08-27 01:38:10 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now?



I have it on good authority that there is no BoB
Rekon X
Doomheim
#112 - 2013-08-27 01:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rekon X
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having.


Yea, war. Especially since you outnumber anyone you would go up against at about 10 to 1.

I hear a lot about carebears in this game, but you can't get any more carebear than this:


Clusterfuck Coalition - 31241 Members (comprised of the following alliances)

Goonswarm Federation - 10078 Members

RAZOR Alliance - 3879 Members

Fatal Ascension - 2834 Members

Tactical Narcotics Team - 1913 Members

Fidelas Constans - 3065 Members

SpaceMonkey's Alliance - 1761 Members

Executive Outcomes - 825 Members

Gentlemen's Agreement - 2567 Members

Get Off My Lawn - 1758 Members

Circle-Of-Two - 1545 Members

Li3 Federation - 1016 Members


Known Enemies

Northern Coalition - 2380 Members

Black Legion - 1128 Members



You somehow missed about 30k people that tried to stop us taking fountain. You might want to recount. If you need some help you can use the public standings (https://standings.goonfleet.com/) which doesn't count people who might dogpile on (we were neutral to just about everyone in Asakai for instance) but it's a start.


I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.

Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-08-27 01:54:39 UTC
I vote for a Goon Civil War. C'mon you know you want it. The Drama would be fun. Good cop bad cop. The cherry on top is you stab everyone in the back and take ALL the space.

Make sure you send me a cut when your done. The idea is worth Trillions.
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2013-08-27 02:01:22 UTC
Obvious Cyno wrote:
Why not deploy CFC squads south to mess around in catch with triple A and tribe? Or Providence with NCDotte?



Also we could use some action
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-08-27 02:51:45 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.

Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes.


npc alts aren't people

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#116 - 2013-08-27 03:18:33 UTC
Andski wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.

Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes.


npc alts aren't people


Awww, sorry goonswine.

Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard.

Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2013-08-27 03:23:13 UTC
You're special
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#118 - 2013-08-27 03:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Rekon X wrote:
Andski wrote:
Rekon X wrote:
I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.

Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes.


npc alts aren't people


Awww, sorry goonswine.

Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard.

Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies.

It's easy to talk big when you're hiding behind an NPC corps skirts, try posting on your main. If that is your main, man up, leave the NPC corp and take responsibility for being a gobshite.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-08-27 03:34:09 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
Awww, sorry goonswine.

Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard.

Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies.


lol, it thinks that whoever it cheers on matters anywhere

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-08-27 03:35:41 UTC
Also it biomassed its last trash spewing alt how adorable

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