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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#41 - 2013-08-27 00:02:10 UTC
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When it comes to Syria the time for harsh rhetoric is over. It is now time for even harsher rhetoric.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#42 - 2013-08-27 00:16:16 UTC
Civilians lining up for gas masks in Israel now, siege mentality incoming.

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Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
#43 - 2013-08-27 00:36:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
The schism between the different factions of Islam seems to be following down the path of the historical schism in the Christian Church during the late Middle Ages (also known as the Dark Ages). Strangely enough during that time Islam was the centre of scientific and academic study, while the Christians were busy burning women at the stake for owning a cat and slaughtering each other for having a slightly different interpretation of the Bible.

The whole Shia and Sunni thing is pretty much mirroring the history of western religion, except these days the belligerents have the means to kill each other in much greater numbers, and with more efficiency. The radicalisation is mainly the fault of fundamentalist Imams putting their own spin on the Koran while ignoring or twisting the bits of it that talk about tolerance for other religious beliefs, ignoring the fact that in the past Islam allowed, and actively encouraged women to get an education and anything else that doesn't match their blinkered ideology.

Even as a dyed in the wool atheist I respect the beliefs of those that are not, as long as their beliefs don't advocate murder, war etc; each to their own.

Is it just me or does the situation bring to mind a quote from Ambassador Kosh? "...we should let them pass."

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#44 - 2013-08-27 02:56:58 UTC
Called it.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-08-27 03:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
Im not getting drawn into a debate on this as doing this via my phone would take forever.

But in a nutshell:

This is all pants on head crazy. From a military and financial standpoint.

From an Israeli standpoint bar the nutters who wont fight anyway this is all nuts. Dont interfere in a civil war especially with heart eating / christian / alawite beheading jihadi rebels. Unless there will be classic USAF accuracy on friendlies *ahem* 2 birds 1 stone as it were.

Im wondering how USA/UK/France will react to possible casualties / hostage crises. The syrians have S300 SAMs and while the IAF train for this kind of sortie this quite different than American aerial doctrine.

Could be wrong on that, but when i was in the IDF thats why a lot of yanks came for instruction with the IAF. Im just a tread head.

Anyone got any family / friends in the forces? Hows the combat fatigue looking?

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Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-08-27 05:00:40 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Civilians lining up for gas masks in Israel now, siege mentality incoming.


They did the same prior to the first Gulf War.

Yeeee! 
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-08-27 07:14:21 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Called it.

oh ****, there goes the safeguard.


surprisingly, it comes from Saudi Arabia tho.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-08-27 08:04:56 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Called it.

oh ****, there goes the safeguard.


surprisingly, it comes from Saudi Arabia tho.


Not really. Weakening Syria weakens Iran by proxy. Saudi and Iran are in their own mini cold war over control of the persian gulf (or arabian gulf as arab nations call it) and a holier than thou religious war for temporal power.

They sit back and sing Onward Christian Soldiers and reap the benefits.

Any strike will send oil up due to possible unknowns. (Read Iran)

Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#49 - 2013-08-27 08:27:47 UTC
Oh joy, yet another war in the Middle East, yet another excuse for the Oil companies to jack up the price instantly and then take months to drop it back down to market values after it's all over.

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Kehro Urgus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-08-27 08:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kehro Urgus
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Oh joy, yet another war in the Middle East, yet another excuse for the Oil companies to jack up the price instantly and then take months to drop it back down to market values after it's all over.



Brent crude just hit $111 USD/bl.

PS. Canada has the world's third largest proven oil reserve. P

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2013-08-27 09:02:41 UTC
Graygor wrote:


Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.


You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-08-27 10:22:17 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Graygor wrote:


Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.


You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?

Basically saying "I am feasting on the cadavers of dead Syrians".

The best cadavers are the profitable ones.
but seriously, buying stock isn't war profiteering. Buying up all the grain, then waiting until the government finally pays you 10x it's worth is war profiteering.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-08-27 10:51:16 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
I thought governments were meant to represent the people? Not force them down a route of death and retaliation.


Welcome to being an American for the last 20 years. Doesn't feel so nice, does it? Maybe you'll get to know what it feels like when the rest of the world hates you for what your government has done in the name of protecting its own interests.

But don't worry, you won't be alone; Europe will fight this war to the last American.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-08-27 11:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Graygor wrote:
Im wondering how USA/UK/France will react to possible casualties / hostage crises. The syrians have S300 SAMs and while the IAF train for this kind of sortie this quite different than American aerial doctrine.


Obviously you don't know much about US weapons employment because, yes, they do train for that. And I'm not talking about AGM-88s and the HTS, either. It's not just a bunch of SA-2s with Fan Songs they train against. Why don't you tell us what you know about "American aerial doctrine" while you're at it?

Graygor wrote:
Could be wrong on that, but when i was in the IDF thats why a lot of yanks came for instruction with the IAF. Im just a tread head


Yes. You're wrong on that. Stop posting things you even admit to not knowing. "The yanks" train with the IAF to hone their skills on those very same weapon systems. This is why things like Red Flag exist.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-08-27 11:18:50 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
I'm also under the impression that this is Britain and France dragging the US into war, not the other way around...


Of course it is. As I said in the post above, everyone's always willing to fight to the last American.

The irony in all of this is that if the US decided to stay out of it, they'd be criticized and shunned by the very same "allies" who criticize them and shun them for their foreign policy. The US is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Take note at just how quickly this NSA scandal will be overlooked when the EU has to deploy real forces and not just a bunch of drunken blue UN helmets hanging out at the bar and brothels. Notice how all is forgiven when the US is asked to take the lead in force numbers, sorties, and ops tempo. For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see an all-NATO-sans-US force deal with a crisis. I'd dance a ******* jig.

Sadly, the US will be dragged into it by France and the UK, just like the US dragged everyone into its war(s).
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-08-27 11:22:17 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Do you not genuinely believe that eventually we can sort it out?


What planet are you on? Are you a vegan or something?
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#57 - 2013-08-27 11:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Astenion wrote:
For once, JUST ONCE, I'd like to see an all-NATO-sans-US force deal with a crisis. I'd dance a ******* jig.


How about the Suez Crisis? <--- literally named "Crisis" too


Pretty sure the US still owe France and Britian for that one. The way to the US handled the matter may very well have caused the 6 day war and all the bitterness that followed.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2013-08-27 11:42:21 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Graygor wrote:


Ive been buying up oil futures for months on this reason.


You are aware that you are profiteering from a war?



That's pretty much the story of humanity. Nothing new here.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2013-08-27 11:44:21 UTC
I've had Astenion blocked for quite awhile. Highly recommend this defensive action.

Will have to avert my eyes from any quoting or the stupid will infect my mind.

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Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-08-27 11:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Well, that was 56 years ago. While you're at it and since we're talking about owing people, why don't you go back to WW2, just a few years prior, and see who owes whom? Hell, why stop there? Why not go back to WW1 and ask who owes whom, because Britain got pulled into that one as well as the Americans.

The point I'm trying to make is that we live in a different world now (well, most of us), and looking back 50 years ago doesn't help anyone. Hell, Germany is a strong ally to both Britain and the US, and they were "the bad guys" in WW2. It's a moot point.

Time to do something different for once.