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Tech 2 weapons really are better
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FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#21 - 2013-08-25 13:18:34 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Princess Bride wrote:
Oh FFS, you AGAIN?

Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere.


have you thought that since I've been doing this for so long that I might actually not be trolling? did that possibility ever cross your mind?


Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.

That is why I didn't state that you are trolling. As I said, WHATEVER you are trying to accomplish (trolling, scam, looking for love, I really do not care) please, for the love of all that is holy, GO AWAY. Your posts are whiny, irritating, and your attitude is terrible, as has been pointed out numerous times. You have created many threads, and they are all very bad. I have nothing against new players. I have helped countless new players who are both willing and capable of learning. I truly believe you are neither. All you do is put a frown on my morning coffee, and sour a few minutes of my day with your obtuse whining. I can almost hear its nasally high-pitched cacophony, even though this is text. If you are a troll, you are the most effective one I have ever encountered, which makes me mad at myself.

So again... Find a friend, find a co-worker, and drive THEM insane instead. PLEASE. PLEASE!!! I am BEGGING you.



Nice post O.o

He seems like a nice guy... =3

But really, Paul.. you have been proporly adviced and should take the advice you have got =)
Maekchu
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-08-25 13:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
FuzzyButt wrote:

But really, Paul.. you have been properly advised and should take the advice you have got =)

Please don't. I do have a jolly good time reading these threads!

I'd never have guessed T2 weapons were better than T1. *Mindblown*
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#23 - 2013-08-25 13:57:47 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Anyone who says that tech 2 weapons aren't that much better than normal weapons you are better. I checked this out with comparing meta 4 rockets and tech 2 rockets. On a condor at frigate 4 and rocket specilisation 2 and one tech 2 BCS (no rigs) I was about to get about 65dps from 3 meta 4 rocket launchers with faction ammo. With tech 2 launchers and the same set up with faction ammo I was able to get 90dps.

So yeah tech 2 weapons really are better over tech 1 weapons by a long margin. I'm sorry but it is.

not that it does anything to really help me kill other players.


The spec skill only effects t2 weapons, and is also mostly the reason they are better than t1 m4.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#24 - 2013-08-26 00:59:24 UTC
Faction guns are better just look at all the ganked mission boats on eve kill. DUH!!!Roll

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#25 - 2013-08-26 01:26:01 UTC
This information is shocking.


Proof ------> Shocked

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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-26 03:35:09 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Anyone who says that tech 2 weapons aren't that much better than normal weapons you are better. I checked this out with comparing meta 4 rockets and tech 2 rockets. On a condor at frigate 4 and rocket specilisation 2 and one tech 2 BCS (no rigs) I was about to get about 65dps from 3 meta 4 rocket launchers with faction ammo. With tech 2 launchers and the same set up with faction ammo I was able to get 90dps.

So yeah tech 2 weapons really are better over tech 1 weapons by a long margin. I'm sorry but it is.

not that it does anything to really help me kill other players.


You're actually mistaken and probably seeing the result of additional skill training to fit the T2 launchers rather than the effects of the T2 launchers themselves. With specialization at 5 you're only looking at an increase of 10% in DPS. The real benefit in T2 weapons is being able to use T2 ammo, at rocket specialization 2, T2 launchers do 4% more DPS than Arbalest launchers.
Aeana K
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-08-26 12:51:25 UTC
m8, I like you and your posts, I can admit that I follow you.

You are jailed in a well known situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Every noob is (including myself), in any new state (science or game) . I admire you express it without fear. But accept that the old players know more than you (and me), and make a favor to yourself and follow their advice.

for example, Zappity said:

Paul Otichoda wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.

Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up.


[...]

And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions.



he/she is right. What in the hell to do overheating when your condor aligns like an orca? Navigation is priority.

for a reason, you believe that mission 4s and billions of ISK will give you wins. This is pretty much wrong, not from my experience, but from common sense: If it was like that, every PvPer would be station trading, and accounting would be a pvp skill.

You have linked a killmail. From this fight you have learnt so many things: the power of the opponent ships, their tactic, their fitting etc. I am jealous ffs! But you stay on the outcome and you dont appreciate the experience. Athough this experience is what actually matters the most for your future as PvPer, skills and ISKs will come anyways.

Although you have been improved (I see T2 weapons fit, yey!!), you still don't listen!
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-08-26 14:25:38 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.


May want to edit your post for personal attacks before CCP gets to it.

Zappity wrote:
lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon


OP take a look at the shield resists on a harpy compared to say, a merlin. You'll quickly see why engaging a tech 2 frig in your t1 is usually not a good idea.

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Titan's Lament
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#29 - 2013-08-26 14:33:48 UTC
This has got to be one of the greatest troll characters of all time. That or very sad.

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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#30 - 2013-08-26 17:35:26 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?

Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.

1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you?
The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-08-26 17:58:35 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?

Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.

1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you?
The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.


in pratical terms you can't win.

In other words if they have tech 2 frigates you can't beat it in a normal ship unless you have back up.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-08-26 18:04:54 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?

Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.

1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you?
The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.


in pratical terms you can't win.

In other words if they have tech 2 frigates you can't beat it in a normal ship unless you have back up.


You are a terrible poster, just stop.
Cable Udan
Balls Deep Inc.
#33 - 2013-08-26 18:09:24 UTC
So much ship toasting... when will it end?
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#34 - 2013-08-26 18:44:06 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?

Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.

1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you?
The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.


in pratical terms you can't win.

In other words if they have tech 2 frigates you can't beat it in a normal ship unless you have back up.

Ok, lets ignore what I wrote. You found out the other day that T2 weapons are better than T1 weapons. And now you have learned that T2 frigates are better than T1 frigates, too. Who would have thought? Roll
Courath Al'viendi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-08-26 19:23:34 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?

Sure. Depends on your skills and fittings and friends and their skills and fittings and friends.

1 on 1 it might be hard. Actually I think it should be hard. Imagine you're the one flying the assault frigate... would you still think a 90dps Condor should have a good chance at killing you? Especially if the Condor is at a range that favors you?
The Harpy in the killmail you posted was fitted with T2 Light Neutron Blasters. With Void and overheated I would expect over 300dps if I let him get close. And considering its resists I would expect a strong tank - probably 12k EHP or more - with excellent resists against kinetic damage. Not impossible to beat with a Condor. Just really hard. As it should be, imho.


in pratical terms you can't win.

In other words if they have tech 2 frigates you can't beat it in a normal ship unless you have back up.


What's your Item lvl? You probably can't tank the lich king unless you are using your t2 neutron blasters with loki boosts and some neutral reppers.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#36 - 2013-08-26 20:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Cara Forelli wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.


May want to edit your post for personal attacks before CCP gets to it.


*sigh*

Self-censored, as follows.

Quote:

Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.

That is why I didn't state that you are trolling. As I said, WHATEVER you are trying to accomplish (trolling, scam, looking for love, I really do not care) please, for the love of all that is holy, ** *****. Your posts are ********, ******, and your attitude is ********, as has been pointed out numerous times. You have created many threads, and they are all very ***. I have nothing against new players. I have helped countless new players who are both willing and capable of learning. I truly believe you *** ********. All you do is ******************* my morning coffee, and **** a few minutes of my day with your ******* *******. I can almost hear its ************************, even though this is text. If you are a troll, you are the most effective one I have ever encountered, which makes me mad at myself.

So again... Find a friend, find a co-worker, and ***** **** ******** instead. PLEASE. PLEASE!!! I am BEGGING you.


-.-

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-08-26 20:54:19 UTC
FuzzyButt wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Zappity wrote:
You are surprised that you lost a Condor to a Harpy and a Dragoon at zero? You could double your damage and it wouldn't have mattered.

Range control is critical to your success. Absolutely critical. And this includes staying out of range of certain ships. Seriously, get your navigation skills up.


yeah I didn't expect to win

but my rockets only have 8100m range so I need to keep in range to engage the enemy and I only have an afterburner on the ship. And I couldn't warp out since they'd stuck a point on me. And for range control I select orbit 7500m and activate all systems and fire away. Now I can also overheat.

And I can't train up the navigation skills because I'm training for tech 2 scout drones for level 4 missions.

Also is there anyway for a standard frigate to be able to win lone fights against faction frigates/assault frigates/destroyers/cruisers?



First of you need too know what you are fighting =)

You can kill a Cruiser in a frigate aslong as you know the capabilities etc. Like drones that can kill you and that you can out orbit the tracking.

tho taking a T1 frigate up against any Destroyer or T2 frigate without a lot of experience or knowledge isnt a good idea usualy, i think if you train into destroyers and look into the Corax you will be more satisfyed and i think it will serve for better training.

Unless your familiar with it, it's a destroyer that uses rockets and you can shield tank it decently. The think is that it can have like 7 rockets launchers so your dps can easily take on 1-2 frigates and still have a chance on other destroyers =)

If your really serious about this id be happy too talk ingame =P just mail / convo me <3


Yeah I've used the corax a lot. I actually took a pvp fitted corax out tonight. However all I found was assault frigates in places (which I didn't enter) or frigates that ran off when I warped in. So i keep going around the FW space for several hours until my ship is caught in a cruiser gatecamp.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#38 - 2013-08-27 10:11:40 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

Princess Bride wrote:
Oh FFS, you AGAIN?

Whatever you are trying to accomplish with this spam, please seek jollies elsewhere.


have you thought that since I've been doing this for so long that I might actually not be trolling? did that possibility ever cross your mind?


Yes, I did think of that. Yes, it did cross my mind.

That is why I didn't state that you are trolling. As I said, WHATEVER you are trying to accomplish (trolling, scam, looking for love, I really do not care) please, for the love of all that is holy, ** *****. Your posts are ********, ******, and your attitude is ********, as has been pointed out numerous times. You have created many threads, and they are all very ***. I have nothing against new players. I have helped countless new players who are both willing and capable of learning. I truly believe you *** ********. All you do is ******************* my morning coffee, and **** a few minutes of my day with your ******* *******. I can almost hear its ************************, even though this is text. If you are a troll, you are the most effective one I have ever encountered, which makes me mad at myself.

So again... Find a friend, find a co-worker, and ***** **** ******** instead. PLEASE. PLEASE!!! I am BEGGING you.




I feel you pain Princess just take a deep breath and crack open a beverage of choice, and try hard to forget that he exists.
Shizu Eisenkreuz
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-08-27 10:57:35 UTC
I'm eagerly awaiting for his next "I've been war-dec'd" thread.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#40 - 2013-08-27 11:27:56 UTC
Well, it looks like you need to pick your fights and fit your ships better, for rockets I would recommend the Kessy rather than the condor, with the improved DPS buffer and range you will have an easier time.

[Kestrel, rocket]
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

This is a pretty good fit, 5624 EHP, 121 Heated DPS with faction and excellent range control, brawl in and hold close range ships at 7.5-8.5K, brawl long range ships at 500.

You should be pretty successful.
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