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Rattlesnake vs the other pirate ships.
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Orlacc
#21 - 2013-08-17 05:32:11 UTC
It is getting turned into a missile Domi.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#22 - 2013-08-17 05:44:41 UTC
I guess people miss the niche role, which I use it for quite well. Its a great nurse for fleet PvE. I fly both the Fleet tyohoon and the RS. The Phoon has way better numbers, but only completes missions a few percent faster than the RS. But the RS is bitchin in C3/4/5 wormholes where you need a cap budyy, healing, and moderate DPS.

Its WAY overtanked for L4 missions, yes, but L4 missions aren't the only PvE in the game.

And loosing any pirate faction battleship in a mission is shameful, not just th4e RS.

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Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-08-19 16:29:34 UTC
NC have been using a rattlesnake doctrine with a lot of success (until very recently) in their attacks on Providence over the past week.

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Silver Getsuga
Liber Primus
#24 - 2013-08-19 22:13:22 UTC
And by until very recently you mean this http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=19258082 ? BL blobbed them with Oracles lol.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-08-19 22:42:36 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
The Nightmare is a DPS monster, looks amazing and sees a lot of action in Incursion fleets.
The Vindicator is a meatgrinder at short range, also demanded for Incursions and station games.
The Machariel is probably the fastest all-around mission runner, best agility and speed in the BS class, amazing damage projection, makes for a terrific sniper, and shines in PvP as well.
The Bhaalgorn drains you quicker than you can spellcheck its name, and stops you dead.

But the Rattlesnake...is just meh. It can sport a massive tank but crawls at molasses speed.


I think this guy hit it.

The other pirate battleships are competing for best in class for PvE, terrifying in PvP, or both.

The rattlesnake is just a shield tanked missile domi. I think the domi does more DPS though.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-19 23:26:04 UTC
I'm curious as to why CCP is so hesitant to have a missile RoF/damage boosted pirate faction ship. I mean it would make sense and you wouldn't be stuck between the CNR or the Fleetphoon.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-08-20 00:59:13 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
little known fact but the snake in 1.1 is going to loose its missile velocity bonus and have it raplaced with a 37.5% role bonus to drone optimal range and tracking.



ORLY?
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-08-20 11:39:42 UTC
I wish the Rattlesnake got a DRONE CONTROL RANGE bonus.

Currently, the Dominix can happily MJD away and snipe from afar, while a Rattlesnake pilot cannot project drone damage beyond 108Km, and that's with 2 x T2 Drone link augmentors AND E-war drone interfacing V trained.

Fitting more DLAs in a Rattlesnake implies NOT fitting a full rack of launchers. And I'd feel pretty stupid fitting two or three unbonused launchers on anything and pretending they are useful.

A drone control range bonus would increase the Rattlesnake's usefulness dramatically, putting it right back at the expected level of performance for an expensive pirate BS hull. It doesn't even need the tracking bonus of the new Domi.

It just needs a slightly better drone damage projection, in my opinion. Hardly a game-breaking advantage.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-08-20 13:07:34 UTC
Ami Quintero wrote:

...
  • Third, and probably most important, its unique selling point is its resilience. It's basically impossible to lose one. .... Nobody has ever needed to replace a lost Rattlesnake...


    • I remember one case when person actually LOST rattlesnake.... to neutrals in 0.0 Lol

    The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #30 - 2013-08-20 16:05:54 UTC
    Darius Brinn wrote:
    I wish the Rattlesnake got a DRONE CONTROL RANGE bonus.

    Currently, the Dominix can happily MJD away and snipe from afar, while a Rattlesnake pilot cannot project drone damage beyond 108Km, and that's with 2 x T2 Drone link augmentors AND E-war drone interfacing V trained.

    Fitting more DLAs in a Rattlesnake implies NOT fitting a full rack of launchers. And I'd feel pretty stupid fitting two or three unbonused launchers on anything and pretending they are useful.

    A drone control range bonus would increase the Rattlesnake's usefulness dramatically, putting it right back at the expected level of performance for an expensive pirate BS hull. It doesn't even need the tracking bonus of the new Domi.

    It just needs a slightly better drone damage projection, in my opinion. Hardly a game-breaking advantage.


    The Dominix is terribly overpowered at the moment, using it as a benchmark is bad.

    The 50% velocity bonus should be split in half with a ROF or explosion radius bonus to bring it up to par with other pirate ships.

    internet spaceships

    are serious business sir.

    and don't forget it
    Darius Brinn
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #31 - 2013-08-20 17:20:33 UTC
    Cipher Jones wrote:


    The Dominix is terribly overpowered at the moment, using it as a benchmark is bad.


    No. It's not terribly overpowered. And its damage projection potential I mentioned was there BEFORE the changes, by the way.

    As I said, a drone CONTROL RANGE bonus to the Rattlesnake:

    1) Would make it more useful in both PvP and PvE
    2) Would NOT be a drone tracking speed bonus like the Domi, which Domi whiners would surely appreciate.

    So, when it comes to damage projection, I don't need to use the Dominix as a benchmark. Check the projection potential of practically any Battleship commonly seen in PvE. There's something odd with the Rattlesnake which its (potentially) humongous tank cannot compensate.

    It uses 4 unbonused launchers, and drones with very limited range, for its DPS. Both weapon systems have very obvious drawbacks compared to turrets, and those drawbacks really "shine" in the Rattlesnake. Which could, in part, explain why it's currently worth between a third and a half of a Vindicator hull.

    Quote:
    The 50% velocity bonus should be split in half with a ROF or explosion radius bonus to bring it up to par with other pirate ships.


    Would be nice, as well.
    Morrigan LeSante
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #32 - 2013-08-20 18:08:16 UTC
    The dominix is very definately overpowered in its peer group. No other BS in the camp is even close for overall projection.

    Hell the thing is seriously considered amongst the highest end BS and you get change out of 150m for it - it's being compared, often favourably with 500m-1b hulls.


    Even with a range boost, the 'snake cant compete because a domi just drops gardes and laughs at stuff melting. The 'snake cant get the same damage out to the same ranges even with a full rack of DLAs.
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #33 - 2013-08-21 06:59:06 UTC
    Quote:
    No. It's not terribly overpowered. And its damage projection potential I mentioned was there BEFORE the changes, by the way.


    Its the most overpowered ship in the game ATM.

    The damage projection was not there before they changed the damage projection, that statement is ridiculous.

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    are serious business sir.

    and don't forget it
    Ambassador Spock
    Doomheim
    #34 - 2013-08-26 16:46:13 UTC
    Cipher Jones wrote:
    And loosing any pirate faction battleship in a mission is shameful, not just th4e RS.


    I lost a Rattlesnake in a mission a couple weeks ago... It was the second-to-last combat mission in the Gallente Epic Arc (the one with 12 or so 1,500 m/sec Veteran BS with the insanely high dps cruise missiles) , and my skills are not perfect but still...

    *walks away with head down in shame*

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    John Ratcliffe
    Tradors'R'us
    IChooseYou Alliance
    #35 - 2013-08-26 16:53:08 UTC
    Darius Brinn wrote:

    As I said, a drone CONTROL RANGE bonus to the Rattlesnake:

    1) Would make it more useful in both PvP and PvE
    2) Would NOT be a drone tracking speed bonus like the Domi, which Domi whiners would surely appreciate.



    This is a really stupid idea. The RS already has two utility High slots for Drone Links. I do not need or want more control range. I believe the RS needs the Drone Tracking bonus the Domi has. I couldn't care less what Domi owners think about that.

    Make it happen CCP.

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
    Lady Manus
    Lumen et Umbra
    #36 - 2013-08-26 16:57:41 UTC
    Morrigan LeSante wrote:
    It still has one thing going for it that I've not found on another boat.

    There is NO better boat when you're BLIND drunk. None. Absolutely no substitute.

    Anyone claiming another boat is as good needs to learn to drink properly.



    Absolutely wrong.... the RS tank is only apparent due to its massive Sig radius, if you wanna drink tank a Domi or an Ishtar.

    Dont bring your RS in a ded 5+ or you'll pop fast.

    ... ah and yes ima Grappa drunk atm.

    LM
    Steve Spooner
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #37 - 2013-08-27 15:18:35 UTC
    Bah no changes to rattlesnake on test server.
    Orlacc
    #38 - 2013-08-27 15:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
    Steve Spooner wrote:
    Bah no changes to rattlesnake on test server.




    Why would there be?


    http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/28-ships-later

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    Marcus Walkuris
    Aww yeahhh
    #39 - 2013-08-28 13:08:48 UTC
    I fly Rattler so clearly it needs buffed.
    Trolling aside it's missing something indeed.
    I think it needs a velocity buff IMHO.
    Also the buff to missile velocity only has real applications to torpedoes as 4 unbuffed launchers are a joke in pvp and lackluster in pve since missiles synergize poorly with drones due to their delayed damage.
    Cruise missiles with 50% faster flight time get to almost twice your base targetting range.
    The amount of face palm sillyness that comes with the hull detract a lot from how respectable it is in pve and how well it performs even compared to the cookiecutter BS out there.
    For the love of science though, give that boat a velocity buff it's like the only pirate ship slower then its standard BS cousins and that I call rubbish.
    Cipher Jones
    The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
    #40 - 2013-08-29 00:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
    Or explosion radius & explosion velocity (see a few posts up).

    Its really a great ship. There is no other "Jack of all trades but master of none". People just get pissed about the "master of none" part because they are min/maxers.

    internet spaceships

    are serious business sir.

    and don't forget it