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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#1 - 2013-08-26 09:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Oska Rus
I was wondering (EFT warrioring) If it is possible to build any logistic (T3, BS whatever with enough RR) preferably shield to be used in C4 as only logistic on field. Best scenario would be logistic which can survive C4 anomaly without receiving cap ,armour or shield transfer.

If it is possible somehow please include fit and tactics used running anoms.

The closest thing I came to is this

[Scorpion Navy Issue, C4 solo logi]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

cap stable with 4 transporters online or both local reps 1268 local tank. Prolly suspectible to neuting. But i had never problems with neuting in C4 with my RR domies.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2013-08-26 16:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Rattlesnake should be able to do it - I suspect loki and tengu can do the same for shields but never looked at it in the context of only site logi.


EDIT: Completely off the wall legion setup (just happened to be something I was fiddling with in EFT when I saw the thread) - not tested probably needs links and/or may be recreated more optimally:

[Legion, logitest]
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



You could also swap to the drone sub-system and change a CPR for a cap recharger and or other configurations - the cap regen is potentially excessive - the ancillary repairer would be run off cap rather than charges. (I've got genolution cores applied to that fit in EFT).
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-26 18:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Svodola Darkfury
Hey Oska,

You really want your tank to peak at 1500 DPS locally due to the 3 sleeper battleship wave in Frontier Barracks, and the 4 Battleship wave in Sleeper Information Sanctum. The other thing to check is that the Pithum A-type medium shield transporters provide enough rated tank to each of your rep targets on the field.

Since you're basically consigning this ship to a Logistics role (with no DPS output) I don't really see the advantage over a Basilisk with a Cap/Shield Rep buddy. With Logistics 5 we were able to keep the Basilisk running on one energy with a single Shield Transporter for even the heaviest waves as long as we primaried a Battleship down quickly. That way you also have the advantage of much longer logistics projection. Good cap buddies for the Basilisk are Tempest, Typhoon, Raven, Dominix.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
John Wolfsson
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-26 19:49:09 UTC
Ab fitted scimitar is able to tank C4 anomaly ... ,
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#5 - 2013-08-27 08:20:16 UTC
John Wolfsson wrote:
Ab fitted scimitar is able to tank C4 anomaly ... ,


For that i was hoping. Can you please bo more specific about fit and tactics? Which range should scimmi keep from sleepers an how much local rep/buffer he needs?
Aakkonen
Rift Watch
#6 - 2013-08-27 10:29:27 UTC
2 Basis with regural 4/2 loadout can hold about 2000 dps in Cat. Var. C4 Big smile

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2013-08-27 11:16:09 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
John Wolfsson wrote:
Ab fitted scimitar is able to tank C4 anomaly ... ,


For that i was hoping. Can you please bo more specific about fit and tactics? Which range should scimmi keep from sleepers an how much local rep/buffer he needs?

Just TRY things. Spending this much time asking for spesifics on the forums wastes time you could spend making things explode.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#8 - 2013-08-27 11:50:13 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
2 Basis with regural 4/2 loadout can hold about 2000 dps in Cat. Var. C4 Big smile

yeah i know tah two basis are awesome but i have 4 accounts and i dont want to waste 2 DPS ships on logi if it can be made with only one logi.
Kasai Hightower
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-27 15:31:37 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Hey Oska,

You really want your tank to peak at 1500 DPS locally due to the 3 sleeper battleship wave in Frontier Barracks, and the 4 Battleship wave in Sleeper Information Sanctum. The other thing to check is that the Pithum A-type medium shield transporters provide enough rated tank to each of your rep targets on the field.

Since you're basically consigning this ship to a Logistics role (with no DPS output) I don't really see the advantage over a Basilisk with a Cap/Shield Rep buddy. With Logistics 5 we were able to keep the Basilisk running on one energy with a single Shield Transporter for even the heaviest waves as long as we primaried a Battleship down quickly. That way you also have the advantage of much longer logistics projection. Good cap buddies for the Basilisk are Tempest, Typhoon, Raven, Dominix.

Svo.


You clearly have never been inside a wormhole before...
Kasai Hightower
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-08-27 15:33:33 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
I was wondering (EFT warrioring) If it is possible to build any logistic (T3, BS whatever with enough RR) preferably shield to be used in C4 as only logistic on field. Best scenario would be logistic which can survive C4 anomaly without receiving cap ,armour or shield transfer.

If it is possible somehow please include fit and tactics used running anoms.

The closest thing I came to is this

[Scorpion Navy Issue, C4 solo logi]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Transporter
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

cap stable with 4 transporters online or both local reps 1268 local tank. Prolly suspectible to neuting. But i had never problems with neuting in C4 with my RR domies.


If you arn't putting damage on that scorpion then why not just use a scimitar with a large shield booster?
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-27 15:39:25 UTC
[Scimitar, C4 Pony Brigade Logi]

Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Reactor Control Unit
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Booster II
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Cap stable with max skills and no implants, you should be able to mess with the fit to get what you want.

I'm telling you right now this fit is OVERTANKED, eft warriors can ***** all they want about how it only gets 300 local tank but with an AB and a 65 sig radius you aren't taking anywhere near that ESPECIALLY from sleeper battleships. The tactic is basically just orbit a battleship at 5kms and rep stuff.

As always pimp to taste...

♞
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#12 - 2013-08-27 18:27:28 UTC
We use Scythes, Ospreys, Augorors, and Exequrors for logi in Class 3 & 4 wormholes. They work fine, are cheap, and don't tend to pop very often. However, they require some modest piloting skill to keep transversal high and avoid frigate webs. Also, the Scythes and Exequrors really need Minmatar or Gallente Cruiser 5 (respectively), tech 2 repair highs, and thermodynamics to overheat during heavy DPS waves for Class 3 data/radar or Class 4 anom work. A pair of reasonably-tanked (for resists with a modest buffer, not just EHP!), somewhat-speedy Ospreys or Augorors, on the other hand, with meta 4 medium reppers, Racial Cruiser 3, and no thermodynamics skills can keep everyone vertical easily throughout the spectrum of all Class 3 sites, and with a little better skills/tank in any Class 4.

If you're going to run a solo logi of some sort, it's helpful to have a utility character with a spare rep "just in case". For instance, our typical blitzing fleets that take 3-4 minutes per site look something like:

* 3 heavy DPS snipers.
* 1 utility/anti-frigate ship. Long-range webs preferred, and a utility high with a remote rep matching your fleet composition. A Huginn, Rapier, or Loki is typically really good at this job.
* 1 well-skilled solo logi, or dual logi for data/relic sites. Carry damage drones and assign to the utility/webber guy for extra anti-frigate/cruiser DPS.
* Salvager with whatever security you prefer.
* Miscellaneous security alts as required.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#13 - 2013-10-02 20:53:43 UTC
If money is not a issue then a carrier is a good option as it can provide enough remote rep and also add to damage as well with senturies

1 thany/archon and 3 domis will work fine.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#14 - 2013-10-03 04:07:31 UTC
man you guys really over think this. dps ships + 1rr & energy xfer for basi. frontier barracks is still ez mode.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#15 - 2013-10-03 04:11:04 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
2 Basis with regural 4/2 loadout can hold about 2000 dps in Cat. Var. C4 Big smile


Tell you dps group to get more than 50% resists. Shocked
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-10-03 23:25:43 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Aakkonen wrote:
2 Basis with regural 4/2 loadout can hold about 2000 dps in Cat. Var. C4 Big smile


Tell you dps group to get more than 50% resists. Shocked

Actually, the limiting factor here I suspect is when one of the Basis pulls aggro.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#17 - 2013-10-04 09:02:06 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:

Actually, the limiting factor here I suspect is when one of the Basis pulls aggro.


It only takes one large rr to keep a basi up. 2 max...

PS... look into T3 logi. Legion or tengu, range limited to 6 km but if set up right {faction tank, lvl 5 skills, 3% implants, not doing the site with 3/4 safeguards} it can rep, tank, and not have nuet problems.

PSS.. Racial Ecm on a dps ship makes draws sleeper aggro very reliably. Pirate
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#18 - 2013-10-04 09:32:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Evangelina Nolen
For an armor gang of 3 domis & legion; these fits should work

domis
2x imperial navy eanm
dcu
expl hardener
3x dla

2x fed navy omnis
2x fed navy tracking comps
cap recharger

2x dla
4x tachyon beam laser with imperial navy multi for anything under 65km
resist rigs
implants to make it work.

legion
adaptive + cap regen + liquid crystal
dcu
imp navy eanm
true sansha cap relay
1600 plate
2x deadspace reps
3x cap rechargers
ab
4x rr T2 or deadspace
armor fleet boost. not bonused but better than none.
T2 therm resist rig
2x trimarks
implants to suit needs

Last step: Earn 500m+ an hour running nothing but Frontier barracks or Command Posts to replace your eventual PVP losses. Pirate
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#19 - 2013-10-04 10:34:38 UTC
I smoke way too much weed. Just now realized the OP wanted shield fits.
Shimi works, throw a racial ecm on one of the BS to draw aggro away from logi. Carry RR drones on bs just incase.