Intergalactic Summit

It doesn't matter whether the question was hypothetical or not, you neglected to take the actual situation in Colelie into account and thus did not even answer the question that was asked. Let me refresh your memory, with certain names and places replaced to make the question clearer:

- PIE is contacted by a ranking fleet commander of the Imperial Navy to meet in Niarja.
- After meeting with the Navy's personnel, PIE is instructed to jump into Kaaputenen with the Navy.
- Once in Kaaputenen, the entire fleet is stopped by a portion of the Caldari Navy and told to turn around and go home. The IN FC refuses and belligerent words are exchanged between the two fleets.
- PIE's FC on site is told to engage the State forces. Where do the orders to the IN FC come from, you ask? Literally, your response from that person is "from the top".

Do you:
- Follow orders and open fire whether you agree with the course of action or not, simply because you were ordered to do so by someone who is effectively your superior officer (despite it being a clearly illegal act in the first place), or
- Demand to have a more detailed answer regarding the source of those orders, which is likely to be ignored since you're effectively already in a combat situation and there isn't time, or
- Give the Imperial Navy and its representatives a metaphorical "**** you" and go back through the stargate into Niarja, putting your loyalty to the Empire into question?

In a tense situation that's about to explode into fighting such as this, there typically isn't time to question the source of orders, let alone the orders themselves. One either follows them or not - and following orders does not always mean that one agrees with them. Nor, for that matter, is it necessarily disloyal to question those orders after the fact.

The choices presented to EM that day were, on the whole, unappealing ones that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Either aid your military in what you know to be an illegal and incredibly stupid action, or tell them to sod off and risk having your loyalty called into question - even openly called out as traitors - by the very entity you serve to protect from things like this act.

People fighting in a war have the right to expect that their superior officers will act sensibly and rationally, and issue orders with the same qualities. It is perfectly fair, and within their right, to call those original orders, and the one issuing them, into question after the fact when it is clear that the orders given were neither sensible nor rational. That is what is being done here.

If you do not look back upon yourself and reflect on your actions with a different perspective you can never better yourself.

What's done is done and what was done was the right choice at the time.
This does not change the fact that ever since there has been a cry for answers both from our allies as from ourselves.

I find myself surprised to be in agreement. These are questions that I think should be asked and answered. I just hope you are prepared for those answers, Ms Starfire.

You will continue to live in villages,camps,no roads or running water. Still be cold and hungry. Not your leaders, Tribes your warlords. They are accquiring wealth living in luxuary and comfort. Plenty to eat and drink. They are in power now, they have had to struggle not had much. They see this as time to take some spoils for themselves.

Maybe times are changing but very slowly for the citizens of the Republic. Not as fast as you would expect. Those not used to being in power,many fall into the trap of corruption and greed.

Midular's goverment was largely corrupt, and im sure the current one will prove to be the same.

Strange, I don't seem to remember Uriam Kador being slapped in Chains following the "Unsanctioned" Invasion of Solitude. I remember him having his personal fleet removed due to the "inconvenience" caused to the Empire by his Failure, but no mention of charges for War Crimes against him or any of the men under his command.

GalNet News Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empress-jamyl-reprimands-heir-kador-confiscates-fleet/

(My emphasis)


You clearly state that the orders are illegal.

PIE seeks to be a law-abiding organisation.

I think that you can work out the rest for yourself, and no, I won't be answering the next little hypothetical scenario trap that you will try to set. Your games have derailed the discussion enough already.

Well, that's more than has happened to anyone involved in the Minmatar attack on the Federation.

Gabriel you forget that Luftschreck is not very bright and has many silly thoughts bouncing around in that tiny skull. Sometimes they get out and make their way here.

Ms. Vitalia, I try not to immediately descend to questioning peoples intelligence as a reason for them holding certain beliefs. Ms. Luftschreck certainly believes the punishment to an Imperial Fleet Commander in such a position would be severe. It's possible she may either be mistaken in her belief, or that she is correct in her belief and that being an Heir comes with privileges such as avoiding the normal consequences of actions up to a point.

Mind you, you could probably say that about those of High Political Position in any of the Big 4.

Though I may not have much faith that your plea for answers will be met, I honestly hope that you find what you seek, and wish you and the Republic the best of luck in this endeavour.

It may be late and lack much consequnce, but I certainly believe it's better late than never. It's certainly refreshing to see other Matari concerned about the direction of the Republic...I hope action is a result of these words.

Goodluck Starfire, perhaps you find answers where I did not.

-Eran